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NJ nears undermining Electoral College
pioneer press/ap ^ | 1-3-08 | TOM HESTER Jr.

Posted on 01/03/2008 4:18:41 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB

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To: commish

This will save New Jersey quite a lot of money over the long haul. They won’t need to police the polls to make sure their elections are particularly honest, because the electoral votes go on the basis of results elsewhere anyway. It will also save the cost of reinterring all the corpses they normally advance to the polling stations a few times and then have to bury again. I suppose there could be a circumstance where the New Jersey vote actually might matter. In such a case, it could be subtly sold to the highest bidder, or exchanged for carbon credits, contraband, a decent IA football team, or what have you.


121 posted on 01/04/2008 8:24:40 PM PST by mathurine
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie
Re: Unconstitutional per Article I Section 10 paragraph 3 of the U.S. Constitution

No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.

I see you are referring to "...enter into any agreement or compact with another state..." and that may fill the bill unless a Democratic Controlled Congress approves it under the above "No state shall, without the consent of Congress..." exception.

That said, I would like to see Texas declare war on the rising tide of illegal immigrants under the "...or engage in war, unless actually invaded..." clause!

122 posted on 01/04/2008 8:24:58 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: gridlock

At the heart of the matter...across the entire nation...90 percent of the public have no concept of the republic or how it functions. If one sat down and explained representation...how fair or unfair it works...and how the powers of the house versus the senate conflict with no great result, then we might be better off. I see a total lack of education on the electoral college in high school and college-level.


123 posted on 01/04/2008 8:31:36 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: BigAlPro

That is not even close to being correct, and is not at all a defense of your previous comments, which have been proven false. Why don’t you try doing that instead, backing it up with actual facts, instead of just playing word games, eh?


124 posted on 01/05/2008 7:02:06 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: BigAlPro; Radix
It doesn’t matter how big or how small the state is.

Are you suffering some form of memory loss are you just dishonest? You sure do engage in a lot of doubletalk.

BigAlPro on 1/3/2008 at 7:32 PM: As for me, I am tired of the bigger states having a bigger say when it comes to presidential elections.

BigAlPro on 1/4/2008 at 11:04 PM: It doesn’t matter how big or how small the state is.

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The fact of the matter is that you have refused to respond to the facts posted with completely refute your ignorant, dangerous, and factually inaccurate comments. You only chose to respond to Lurker to complain that he's calling you names and chose to ignore all of the other posts, except for giving me and Radix doubletalk. If you are so sure of your stance on this issue - provide some actual facts and not phony arguments.

125 posted on 01/05/2008 7:34:43 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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126 posted on 01/05/2008 7:35:40 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
I was referring to the total number of delegates per state, not the ratio by which those delegates are derived. The fact of the matter is, States don’t vote, People do. If we are truly one nation under God, then there should be one fair system for electing our national leader. The differing ratios in each state is proof that the electoral college system is not fair. If we elected our president based upon the popular vote, then “We the People” will have truly elected our president. Your one vote would honestly matter. With the elimination of the electoral college would have to come the implementation of stronger voting restrictions to prevent voter fraud. Proof of citizenship and residency should be required for all voters to receive a voter registration card. That card along with proof if identity should be required at all voting booths. (This should already be happening) A national electronic registration tracking system should be utilized to prevent redundant voting by any citizen. Once the possibility of fraud has been virtually eliminated and the electoral college has been dissolved, Americans will be able to honestly and fairly elect their president.
127 posted on 01/06/2008 4:59:17 AM PST by BigAlPro (It's time to flush the toilet of political corruption in Washington)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

this is the motive of the soros democrats.

a popular “democracy”

informed by a stupid public educational system.


128 posted on 01/06/2008 5:08:13 AM PST by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: commish
IF THE FOLLOWING STATES JOINED THE COMPACT : California (55), Illinois (21), Michigan (17), Florida (27), New Jersey (15), New York (31), Texas (34), Pennsylvania (21), Ohio (20), North Carolina (15), Georgia (15), D.C. (3) --- you have 273 ELectoral Votes. MEaning these 11 States and Washington D.C. will Garauntee victory to the "popular Vote" winner of every election. Thereby rendering the Electoral votes of 39 states IRRELEVANT.

Could be just the opposite.

If the citizens in those states don't vote (why bother, since it won't influence your electors), then the popular vote will be decided by all the little states.

/sarc>

But seriously, the problem with it is that many states are "winner take all" on electors. If it changes to "popular vote total" then the power of the urban areas will tend to be diminished -- encouraging both more vote fraud and "runs to the center" to get the most *popular* votes.

Cheers!

129 posted on 01/06/2008 5:17:30 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: BigAlPro
It doesn’t matter how big or how small the state is. The power should rest with the citizens of America, not with the states.

Go back to DU.

130 posted on 01/06/2008 5:23:02 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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