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To: SoftballMominVA; shag377; glide625; Gabz; Amelia; leda; patton; JenB; metmom; Hi Heels
Softballmom writes: "What would be even more interesting would be if you, glide625, could point to some posts that attack anti-public school advocates. Show us a post or two where Christian home schoolers, on this site, are called wicked, sinners, child-abusers, naive, dumb, evil, greedy, stupid, etc. I bet I can show you about 50 or more pages where Christian public school teachers are called those things"

Softballmom, these "attacks" are associated with the daily news articles about the clearly outrageous failings and abuses of too many government schools. You neglected to mention this, and you give Glide625, and the others, the false impression that these so-called attacks were gratuitous and without merit.

So?... What are we to think of government teachers who are responsible for, cooperate with, assist, enable, abet, hide, and are sometimes oblivious to, these horrible government school abuses against children?

"Wicked, sinners, child-abusers, naive, dumb, evil, greedy, stupid,"...etc.,,are far too mild for people associated with the acts reported in the articles posted. If I could think of words that were even stronger, I would use them!

By the way, you know, and I know, that I am likely responsible for a large proportion of the 50 pages that you have accumulated. How kind of you **NOT** to include me in your lengthy ping list.

Finally, as the professional that I know you are, I know that you would never give half the argument to your students. They are, after all, emotionally immature, and unsophisticated in the finer points of debating techniques.

56 posted on 12/26/2007 10:27:25 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime; SoftballMominVA; shag377; glide625; Gabz; leda; patton; JenB; metmom; Hi Heels
I'm still trying to figure out why schools are getting blamed for the problems noted in this article.

Prayer and religious references were removed from schools because of lawsuits from atheist parents like Madeline Murray O'Hare and the father in this article, not because most public teachers are atheists.

One of my own elementary school teachers was sued by similar parents because our community continued to begin school with a Bible story and the Lord's Prayer even after Ms. O'Hare won her case. The parents were newcomers to the community, the majority of the community as well as the school administration supported the teacher, but that case was lost as well.

Defending against lawsuits such as these is not cheap, and to pay for them, schools have to use taxpayer dollars that were meant for educating students - it is small wonder to me that they try to avoid the necessity of such lawsuits.

In any event, I can't see why schools get blamed when they are, in fact, the victims here.

Finally, as the professional that I know you are, I know that you would never give half the argument to your students. They are, after all, emotionally immature, and unsophisticated in the finer points of debating techniques.

wintertime, you've overused this line, and it's turning into spam. You seem to try to address it to a public school teacher at least once on each school thread you post on. Could you maybe delete it from your cut-and-paste repertoire and find something new?

First, we're all presumed to be knowledgeable, intelligent adults here, and I think most of us would be insulted if we were treated as children by our fellow posters.

Secondly, your verbiage is simply another way of implying that teachers - including, and perhaps especially, those on this board - are abusive and cruel to children, as well as deceitful and dishonest.

61 posted on 12/26/2007 11:55:26 AM PST by Amelia
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