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Disquiet over schools' moment of silence
LA Times ^ | December 24, 2007 | P.J. Huffstutter

Posted on 12/24/2007 6:18:30 AM PST by wintertime

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To: glide625; Gabz; Amelia; SoftballMominVA
Make no mistake about it however, you’ll be slammed for this post as will I, by an odd assortment of pro-gov’t school types on this site.

Funny thing about the majority of "pro-gov't school types" on this board...for every nasty post, rude comment and hateful innuendo here, we let it go with stride.

I defend my profession, yes I do, especially when I ask, like I am about to do now, for concrete evidence of your information.

Could you please provide me with a link or a study linking loss of faith from a "government school" vs a home school situation?

Merry Christmas to you and yours, and remember Who is the reason.:)

21 posted on 12/24/2007 7:28:41 AM PST by shag377 (De gustibus non disputandum est.)
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To: wintertime

She could spend the 15 seconds picking her nose! /s


22 posted on 12/24/2007 7:34:48 AM PST by Marathoner 244
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To: moonman
The moment of silence is for the students to prepare to block out the cultural Marxism they are about to hear for most of the day.

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Exactly! Atheistic Marxism!

And,,,there are armies of so-called Christian teachers willing to support, aid, and abet the Marxist agenda for a paycheck. What is this teaching all the students, both Christian and non-Christian? It is teaching that so-called Christians are wimps! It is teaching that they are prostitutes for a paycheck, and sly sneaks for trying to hide in a grain of salty Christianity in the curriculum once in a while.

Geeze! If Christ spits lukewarm Christians out of His mouth, is it any wonder non-Christians do as well? Is it any wonder that 85% of the kids from Christian homes spit Christianity out of their mouth within 2 years of graduating from their Marxist indoctrination camps?

It is my opinion, that so-called Christian teachers are actually making the job for true missionaries harder. Their lukewarm, sneaky, prostituting behavior that they model to American kids in school must all be unlearned. Why? Because Example isn’t the best teacher, it is the only teacher. What sort of example for Christianity are these teachers setting?

23 posted on 12/24/2007 7:36:59 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime
"I don't go to school to talk to God," she said. "I'm in school to learn."

Sounds like she hasn't learned much about getting along with her fellow citizens. She wasn't forced to pray, nor did she have to watch anyone else pray. She could have closed her eyes and spent that measly 15 seconds going over in her mind, what was coming up in her first class. Just think, she'd have been that much MORE ahead of those religious wing-nuts in her Honors class, because she'd have had some quiet time to study while they were (presumably) praying.

What a twit.

24 posted on 12/24/2007 7:38:54 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: shag377; glide625; Gabz; Amelia; leda; patton; JenB; metmom; Hi Heels
Make no mistake about it however, you’ll be slammed for this post as will I, by an odd assortment of pro-gov’t school types on this site.

Interesting statement.

What would be even more interesting would be if you, glide625, could point to some posts that attack anti-public school advocates. Show us a post or two where Christian home schoolers, on this site, are called wicked, sinners, child-abusers, naive, dumb, evil, greedy, stupid, etc. I bet I can show you about 50 or more pages where Christian public school teachers are called those things.

No public school teacher or advocate is going to slam anyone for wanting to homeschool their children, at least not in the way that public school parents and teachers get slammed.

I teach where I teach because I believe it is the right place for me right now. Not because I'm cooperating with the atheists, not because I'm greedy, but because I am where I am supposed to be.

In Virginia, we also have the 'moment of silence.' Every morning, the kids and teachers pause to reflect. Sometimes the principal mentions something for the students to reflect upon, sometimes she doesn't.

It would be nice if the vitriol heaped upon Christian school teachers would just stop - especially the attacks coming from people that would not want the same words directed back towards them.

Merry Christmas to you and yours. May the New Year bring you peace and prosperity.

25 posted on 12/24/2007 7:45:05 AM PST by SoftballMominVA (Never wrestle with a pig; he wants to get dirty anyway.)
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To: theDentist
The constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. ‘nuff said.
26 posted on 12/24/2007 7:46:09 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: SuziQ
She could have closed her eyes and spent that measly 15 seconds going over in her mind,

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Why should the religious be relegated to a 15 second ghetto? Why are lukewarm Christians cooperating with this?

SuzieQ, I don’t think you get it.

Government schools and the First Amendment and government schools are utterly incompatible! Government schools are a freedom of conscience nightmare!

It is the government schools that must be shut down.

27 posted on 12/24/2007 7:46:56 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Merry Chrtistmas!


28 posted on 12/24/2007 7:47:49 AM PST by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: DelphiUser

Agreed. I’m just wondering if it’s really her or her father that’s behind the suit, that’s all.


29 posted on 12/24/2007 7:48:41 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: wintertime
Instead of 15 seconds of silence, how about 15 seconds of a recorded muezzin's prayer call, followed by 15 minutes of Islamic prayer?

Because, according to the 9th circuit court, that's not an unconstitutional establishment of religion.

</sarc>

30 posted on 12/24/2007 7:50:58 AM PST by Campion
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To: glide625
“Is is any wonder that 85% of kids from Christian homes abandon the faith 2 years after graduating from government school, and 90% of homeschoolers remain faithful?”

Can you provide the link for that?

31 posted on 12/24/2007 7:54:24 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: theDentist

I wonder if she couldn’t just sit and pick her nose for FIFTEEN SECONDS and let the rest go? But NO, if it offends Miss Atheist and her Always-Winter-Never-Christmas dad, well then, it’s gotta go. Whiney minorities ALWAYS rule.

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32 posted on 12/24/2007 7:54:28 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: wintertime

Atheisim: the stupid religion.


33 posted on 12/24/2007 7:58:17 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Marathoner 244

Marathoner, I think it is quite interesting that we both had the same vision of how she could spend that 15 sec. hardihar. deep thinking going on here at FR.


34 posted on 12/24/2007 7:58:47 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: NittanyLion; shag377

Link:

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:kY4WNVux_NIJ:www.exodusmandate.org/20070503-resolution/2007-letter-to-committee-members.doc+Dr.+Bryan+Ray+percentage+Christian+children+leave+faith&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us


35 posted on 12/24/2007 7:59:20 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: onedoug
Atheisim: the stupid religion.

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Atheism is the religion of the government schools. 180 days a year, 6 to 7 hours a day, for 12 years.

Believers are relegated to a 15 second ghetto.

Solution: Close down the government schools! They are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience nightmare!

36 posted on 12/24/2007 8:02:22 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: shag377; Amelia; SoftballMominVA
Merry Christmas to you and yours, and remember Who is the reason.:)

The same to you and yours!

37 posted on 12/24/2007 8:18:15 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: wintertime; NittanyLion; SoftballMominVA; Gabz; patton; Amelia; glide625

Maybe I have had too much Egg Nog, or perhaps since I am attempting to do something crazy like spend quality time with my family I have completely lost where exactly it says that 85% of the children loose faith after being in government schools.

What I do see, is a well-written letter that rehashes most of the same arguments I hear on this board, and very little in the way of actual evidence, but rather a chance to vent.

Come to think of it, ALL religions are banned in schools, Buddists, Muslims, Christianity, etc. I really don’t see many folks who are not Christian coming to my school in S. Georgia and try to expouse anything but and live, but hey, I live in the shore ‘nuff Bible belt.

Anyway, I still am not convinced that what is there has any proof of children leaving the faith. I challenge you to show it to me, or give me something more substantial.

Merry Christmas! I am off to see my extended family, for Christmas and read Luke 2:1-10.:)


38 posted on 12/24/2007 8:22:08 AM PST by shag377 (De gustibus non disputandum est.)
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To: wintertime

Anytime that you are in the company of someone like Dawn Sherman and they do the tiniest thing for which you can say, “Thank you”, change your response to “Bless you or Bless you, Child of God”.

It drives them right out of their mind to be in the company of a believer. They will avoid your presence as if you had just been sprayed by a skunk making both of your lices much easier.

Merry Christmas


39 posted on 12/24/2007 8:29:39 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: shag377
People who learn to sue so early grow up to be hateful adults who strip good folks of their right to live life the way they want. There is NO HARM being done to this big spoiled selfish young Democrat. Nobody is forcing her to think in a way that she does not want to. Gawd! it’s 15 seconds - Gives us a break from these small small petty mites of humanity!
40 posted on 12/24/2007 8:33:54 AM PST by Pilated
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