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To: matthew fuller
You conveniently ignore the fact that the GOP's base has shrunk significantly since 2000.

Whether Paul goes 3rd party or not is irrelevant. The GOP in its current makeup does not have the votes to defeat Hillary in the general. That is a fact.

With Paul, all of the factions are united. There won't be any libertarians voting LP or constitutionalists voting for the CP in the general. Many independents and both the populist left and right would vote for Paul because of the war. And even the remaining portion of the GOP base (religious and pro-war conservatives) would still vote for Paul, because there's no way in Hell they're going to vote for Hillary.

So to say that Paul would hurt the Democrat more than the Republican in a three-way race is ludicrous. It's quite possible that Paul could win a three-way race as the sheer volume of voters will vote for him and negate both the remnants of the current base of the GOP and the hardcore left who'll vote for Hillary.

85 posted on 12/23/2007 10:32:41 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! All-time NFL leader in career passing yards)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Whether Paul goes 3rd party or not is irrelevant. The GOP in its current makeup does not have the votes to defeat Hillary in the general. That is a fact.

With Paul, all of the factions are united. There won't be any libertarians voting LP or constitutionalists voting for the CP in the general. Many independents and both the populist left and right would vote for Paul because of the war. And even the remaining portion of the GOP base (religious and pro-war conservatives) would still vote for Paul, because there's no way in Hell they're going to vote for Hillary."

Excellent post. I think there are a number of Republicans in denial about this, but it is so true that if we end up with a status-quo Republican as the nominee, we lose. Say hello to president Hildabeast. The numbers just aren't there.

I have no doubt that if the race came down to Paul vs Hillary, Paul will stomp Hillary. People are sick of Clintons/Bushes, they are sick of politicians who are sold out to other interests, they're sick of the status quo, they're sick of corruption, they want someone genuine and someone who isn't sold out.

Paul has not only the disgrunted Republicans, but independents, libertarians, third party conservatives are uniting behind him, plus crossover Democrats, AND a large number of new (previously apathetic) voters and young people who have never voted before. No one else has that. People can laugh at this if they want, but I honestly believe he is the ONLY one who can beat Hillary in the general, hands down. I'm going to repost what you said, because people need to get this...

"Whether Paul goes 3rd party or not is irrelevant. The GOP in its current makeup does not have the votes to defeat Hillary in the general. That is a fact."

93 posted on 12/23/2007 10:57:13 PM PST by incindiary
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The GOP in its current makeup does not have the votes to defeat Hillary in the general. That is a fact.

If it is a FACT, show us the proof.

107 posted on 12/23/2007 11:37:31 PM PST by Just Lori (There is nothing democrat-"ic" about democrats.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Dr. Paul promised his wife of 50 years that he would not run as a 3rd party or independent candidate, and I'll take his word over the rest of the so-called Republicans who spin like Maytag washers."
EEE ~ 10/4/2007

Whether Paul goes 3rd party or not is irrelevant.
EEE ~ 12/23/2007

138 posted on 12/24/2007 9:13:45 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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