[nesnah]

Well, there’s the first problem.

Joseph Smith translated the alleged Golden Plates not with the Urim and thummin, but with....get this.....yes, Southpark was quite accurate.......putting a rock in his hat, pulling the hat over his face, so as to exclude all light, and speaking words that were then written down by his scribes.

95% of all Mormons don’t know it happened this way as they have been told a different, more glorius and fantastic story.

But, the way it happened, as I have described above, is an account given by one of the three attesting witnesses to the veracity of the whole story, as well as Joseph Smith’s own mother.

[nesnah]

Here’s a more indepth explanation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPnu0bx3oWg

[Zakeet]

Joseph Smith translated the alleged Golden Plates not with the Urim and thummin, but with....get this.....yes, Southpark was quite accurate.......putting a rock in his hat, pulling the hat over his face, so as to exclude all light, and speaking words that were then written down by his scribes.

You mean, like this?

Actually, according to Smith's mother, Lucy Mack Smith:

That of which I spoke, which Joseph termed a key, was indeed, nothing more nor less than the Urim and Thummim, and it was by this that the angel showed him many things which he saw in vision; by which he could ascertain, at any time, the approach of danger, either to himself or the Record, and on account of which he always kept the Urim and Thummim about his person. (Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith the Prophet and his Progenitors for Many Generations, page 106)

And Mother Smith said she got a good look at Urim and Thummim:

I knew not what he meant, but took the article of which he spoke into my hands, and, upon examination, found that it consisted of two smooth three-cornered diamonds set in glass, and the glasses were set in silver bows, which were connected with each other in much the same way as old fashioned spectacles. He took them again and left me, but said nothing respecting the Record. (Biographical Sketches, page 101)

Of course, still others believe Joseph plagiarized the Book of Mormon from OTHER SOURCES.

So, what did Joseph use? A peep stone, peep spectacles, or plagiary? I urge you to examine the evidence and make up your own mind.

[fproy2222]

Well, there’s the first problem.

Joseph Smith translated the alleged Golden Plates not with the Urim and thummin, but with....get this.....yes, Southpark was quite accurate.......putting a rock in his hat, pulling the hat over his face, so as to exclude all light, and speaking words that were then written down by his scribes.

95% of all Mormons don’t know it happened this way as they have been told a different, more glorius and fantastic story.

But, the way it happened, as I have described above, is an account given by one of the three attesting witnesses to the veracity of the whole story, as well as Joseph Smith’s own moth

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Close enough to sound true, just far enough off that it is not the truth.