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“I ask the lurkers If you want to know about Chevy trucks do you go to a Ford salesmen?”

With all due respect, If you want to know about Chevy trucks do you go to a used car salesman or a mechanic? You seem to indicate that you are completely objective about these issues. But you know that is not true. You have a bias, I have a bias. I think we can settle that now.

The problem with the link you posted is that official LDS doctrine is changing - just like it changed in 1978 when blacks were allowed in the priesthood - or on the topics of polygamy, or caffine, or whether Adam was God Almighty. What was Mormon doctrine yesterday might not be Mormon doctrine tomorrow. And Mormons are know for not being entierly forthcoming about all of their beliefs. As proof, I offer you this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UMJvqBq_Qa8

I have found no statement by a Mormon using the word “sex”. But when McConkie says, “Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” what are we to infer? He is saying that God sired Jesus “in the same way” that you, DelphiUser, will or have sired children. Hard to get around that. Especially with his insistence on the “literal” nature of the passage.

I Said: “I ask the lurkers If you want to know about Chevy trucks do you go to a Ford salesmen?”

You Said: With all due respect, If you want to know about Chevy trucks do you go to a used car salesman or a mechanic? You seem to indicate that you are completely objective about these issues. But you know that is not true. You have a bias, I have a bias. I think we can settle that now.

I agree that we both have Biases, so do mechanics... I suggested, doing a bit of research, then taking it to God. Tell me, do you have a problem with me suggesting that people ask God if the Book of Mormon is true?

You Said: The problem with the link you posted is that official LDS doctrine is changing

One sign of a living church is it is receiving current revelation, many have a problem with that, just like the pharisees in Jesus's time did. Pray about it.

You Said: just like it changed in 1978 when blacks were allowed in the priesthood

Ah, when you start to look like a Bigot, charge your opponent with the same thing.

It was prophesied that the time would come when they would be allowed to have the priesthood, and that was fulfilled. Shall we talk Baptists and the KKK? Catholics and segregated Churches? Get a grip, this is a non starter for anyone who wants to think for two seconds.

You Said: or on the topics of polygamy, or caffine, or whether Adam was God Almighty.

When losing a debate, change the subject. The topic was "Are Mormons Christian" the answer was Yes.

The rest of your "topics" are smoke screen for a failure to make your case.

But since you asked, Polygamy, biblical, not for everyone, not now.

Caffeine, drug, used to be considered benign, and now would be banned if not already part of mainstream food stuffs.

Adam was never God almighty, The teaching was that God was Adam on the world where he was human. This was always misunderstood because Brigham worded it very badly. Not taught by the church currently because it has been so misrepresented by those who don't understand it.

The topic was "Are Mormons Christian" the answer was Yes.

You Said: What was Mormon doctrine yesterday might not be Mormon doctrine tomorrow.

LOL! Again with the Pharisaical argument that we can't have new revelation, only the commands handed down long ago can be true, only Moses spoke to God, you can't fulfill the law, don't fulfill any prophecies, stop the wheels of time, I want to get off! ROTFLOL!

The topic was "Are Mormons Christian" the answer was Yes.

You Said: And Mormons are know for not being entirely forthcoming about all of their beliefs. As proof, I offer you this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UMJvqBq_Qa8

Sadly, you are right, while the Mormon church has always told the truth, individual members have "taken matters into their own hands", I would dare say every church can be shown false if the sins of parishioners is to be laid at the church's door.

Jesus was also impugned for eating with sinners and publicans, there are many in the "Mormon" Church who have need of repentance, that is why they come, we are a hospital for sinners, not a sanctuary for saints.

Specifically, I ask you, have you told everything about your church in a discussion about it even things that would "hurt" your debate? This guy in the video (I have seen it before) is trying to teach Debate with religion to some novices, I would venture that every Christian church, has such classes for some people, and some of what he says is valid. You don't have to answer every question, no matter how inappropriate, prying, or sacred. Answering a questions with what you think should have been asked is also a debate technique, editing video to make someone else look bad is also a technique.

PetroniusMaximus I ask you flat out, have you ever lied? then we can't trust you either. Why not ask God? He never lies. Gee, you notice how it keeps coming back to that?>

The topic was "Are Mormons Christian" the answer was Yes.

You Said: I have found no statement by a Mormon using the word “sex”.

Thank you, I will expect a full apology and cessation of this disturbing direction from you. Wait, you go on to interpret us to say what we did not say, pray continue...

You Said: But when McConkie says, “Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” what are we to infer?

That God is Jesus' Father in every sense of the word, and that it was all done without Sex because then he says Mary was still a virgin afterwords. Stop interpreting for us, we are saying what we mean.

You Said: He is saying that God sired Jesus “in the same way” that you, DelphiUser, will or have sired children. Hard to get around that.

Not really, I have a family member who has to have his wife artificially inseminated in order to have kids. they are his children in every sense of the word. you are seeking a distinction without a difference and I am saying there is no difference and you are focusing on an imagined distinction.

You Said: Especially with his insistence on the “literal” nature of the passage.

Do you know why this was even said? There were several "theories" going around that would have made Joseph the father, or had Mary having sex, We refute such statements God is the Father of Jesus Christ in every way, however, Sex was not how Jesus was conceived, for Mary was still a virgin, and that precludes Sex.

Saying you don't understand what we are teaching is one thing, but saying that we don't understand what we believe is another. Mormons believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ, saying that we believe anything else is a lie. We never said God had sex with Mary, that was Non-Mormons.

I have a thought for you... How do you think Jesus will feel about this preoccupation some have with his mother being unchaste before her marriage? I personally would be very careful as a Christian when having this conversation not to assert too strongly arguments for Mary being a loose woman, for I know she was not, and her son just might not like the aspersions being cast upon her virtue by those who think she was, sleeping around. Just a thought.

Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born. That is Mormon Doctrine.