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To: MarkL
Sounds to me like she has no business with any firearm, if it takes 10 shots to stop an individual you need to go back to the range! She was a danger to all the innocent people around her. That could be why security guards are required to carry revolvers second shots take a little more time and that could give everybody else time to duck. After that a revolver semi-auto are both just as deadly on the first shot but only if you hit your target.
69 posted on 12/16/2007 1:20:33 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: CowboyConservative

I don’t think anyone’s complaining. I know if I was there, I woulnd’t be complaining any.


71 posted on 12/16/2007 1:25:09 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: CowboyConservative

You’re kidding, I assume.


74 posted on 12/16/2007 1:39:02 PM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: CowboyConservative
I'd love to read an account of the incident, or "go to the tape".

What I hear/read is that she engaged the guy and advanced on him while yelling "Surrender!" and firing. If a reliable and more detailed account is available, I'd love to see it.

It MAY not be accurate to say she NEEDED all ten shots. I can imagine in a situation where you are advancing on an armed person who has already started shooting that you focus on lining up your front sight with his general outline and pull the trigger until all you hear is "Click, click, click." (So why did she have only a 10-round mag? Who knows?) She may have kind of forgotten to stop shooting until she ran out or the guy was obviously on the floor and more or less motionless.

Your average LEO or security person doesn't get a whole lot of practice dealing with major adrenaline dumps. I don't think it's within reasonable bounds to expect Dirty Harry-like cool and deliberation from such folks. I think she did fine.

Are there any indications she hit anybody else? From one account that I heard, she did a lot better than her two male companions who sat around and dithered while she actually engaged the bad guy. Yeah, I guess she wasn't perfect. I kind of like her imperfection and would like to think I'd do as well in a similar situation.

75 posted on 12/16/2007 1:39:13 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: CowboyConservative
Sounds to me like she has no business with any firearm, if it takes 10 shots to stop an individual you need to go back to the range!

Hey Cowboy she could have just been using an old firearms rule "When in doubt, empty the magazine".

If it was a revolver it probably would have been 6 to 8 shots of 357 into him. "Empty the cylinder"

86 posted on 12/16/2007 2:26:01 PM PST by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: CowboyConservative
"Sounds to me like she has no business with any firearm....She was a danger to all the innocent people around her."

Well, Cowpoke, as usual you have nailed it!!!.

Far better that no marginally proficient CCW holders were present!!!

One shooter killing people was more than enough.

Hell, if three or four other CCW's opened up, there mighta been NO-ONE left standing.

105 posted on 12/16/2007 3:02:36 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: CowboyConservative

It seems that practicing at a range is way different than being in a situation where someone’s shooting at you. And from what I read, she was approaching the shooter while firing.

I’ve never been in a situation where my life was in danger while shooting at a target. However, I have participated in shooting sports where stress is involved, specifically bowling pin and USPSA competitions. In some of those USPSA matches, there were somewhat stressful situations and in many cases, we had to engage targets while we were moving. We used to joke that one of our range masters was planning to start a match by hitting us with an electrical cattle prod. I understand how difficult it is to hit your target while under stress. And it’s even more difficult to do so while you’re moving. And, as I said, I did this knowing that I was in a controlled, safe environment.

And it’s a known fact that the vast majority of “well trained” people in her situation fire far more rounds than actually hit the target. It’s unfortunate, but true. Of course, I’m talking about both military and law enforcement here.

Mark


131 posted on 12/16/2007 5:36:38 PM PST by MarkL
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To: CowboyConservative

So how many gunfights have you won, Cowboy?


133 posted on 12/16/2007 6:00:02 PM PST by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: CowboyConservative

Exactly how many raving gunman murderers have you stopped?


187 posted on 12/17/2007 9:55:33 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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