Italian doctors want to scrap ‘outdated’ Hippocratic Oath

The Times ^ | 12/11/07 | Richard Owen in Rome

[wideminded]

Italian doctors want to scrap ‘outdated’ Hippocratic Oath

Swearing by Apollo is outdated.

[claudiustg]

“First do no harm” could be changed to, “First incur no liability.”

[Godwin1]

They’d have to swear off killing babies if they adhered to the oath: can’t have that. There or here.
I do EVERYTHING possible to avoid contact with today’s medical profession. In an emergency and if pushed to the wall, I will only go Catholic hospitals, the last medical facilities in my area (Chicago) that refuse to kill unborn children. And if the Democrats win big next time, even that refuge will be lost. Democrat lawmakers—SCHAKOWSKY of Illinois for example—want to close any hospital that refuses to participate in the killing.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***“neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy.” ****

This is how it reads on the wall of my former Dr’s office.

“...neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I perform an illegal operation.”

[jwalsh07]

First, kill the babies, the weak and the old people...

Then try your damndest to do no harm.

[rawcatslyentist]

"doctors have changed in the last decades and the Hippocratic oath no longer belongs to them."

Well considering a lot of them are now Mohammedans, it is a conflict of interest. You know, do no harm vs. kill the infidel.

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[Pinkbell]

My mom said when she started protesting abortion in the 70s, that they said abortion would lead to euthanasia. She said when they told the liberals this, they just laughed. Of course, we are right. In the same way we’ll be right when we say legalization of homosexual marriage will lead to polygamy and group marriage.

The duty of the medical field was to preserve life, now it is to preserve some life and destroy life considered not worthy of living. I know there is a modern version of the Hippocratic Oath used today in medical schools which omits the oath to avoid abortion and euthanasia.

[TheSarce]

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[Tenniel2]

Silly Cat -- there's no conflict at all. Haven't you read your Koran? Killing infidels is a good thing!

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[IronJack]

“First do no harm”

"First, do no harm" is not part of the Hippocratic Oath.

[IronJack]

There are passages which are no longer relevant to our times and which newly qualified doctors know in advance they will not be able to respect

Yeah, like that "sanctity of life" clause. I mean, what's up with THAT!!!!

[8mmMauser]

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[17th Miss Regt]

I’m told that the Italian medical community is now using a medical ethics textbook by Dr. Viktor Brack. They wanted him to speak to their group but found that he was hanged in Nuremberg.

[G Larry]

[”First, do no harm” is not part of the Hippocratic Oath.]

“keep them from harm and injustice”

That’s close enough for me!

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[Steamburg]

I thought we fought a war to end Fascism. It looks like another war we stopped way too soon.
If we can just make morality a living and changeable idea, kind of like how the Dims see our Constitution; social engineering will be so much simpler. Its hard to add a /sarc/ warning.

[2harddrive]

Alas, with the spread of Abortionism and Elder-killing in the US, we should rename it: The HYPOCRITICAL Oath!

[CholeraJoe]

There are many physicians in the US who have never sworn the Hippocratic Oath. Around 30 years ago some US medical schools began using the Oath of Maimonides. Compare the two:

Oath of Maimonides

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The eternal providence has appointed me to watch over the life and health of Thy creatures. May the love for my art actuate me at all time; may neither avarice nor miserliness, nor thirst for glory or for a great reputation engage my mind; for the enemies of truth and philanthropy could easily decieve me and make me forgetful of my lofty aim of doing good to Thy children.

May I never see in the patient anything but a fellow creature in pain.

Grant me the strength, time and opportunity always to correct what I have aquired, always to extendits domain; for knowledge is immense and the spirit of man can extend indefintely to enrich itself daily with new requirements.

Today he can discover his errors of yesterday and tomorrow he can obtain a new light on what he thinks himself sure of today. Oh, God, Thou has appointed me to watch over the life and death of Thy creatures; here am I ready for my vocation and now I turn unto my calling.

Hippocratic Oath -- Classical Version

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

The Hippocratic Oath has all those pesky prohibitions about abortion, euthanasia, surgery and sodomy.