Posted on 12/09/2007 12:49:26 PM PST by aomagrat
Edited on 12/09/2007 12:59:09 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
[I waited 45 seconds and actually posted something substantial--Ed.]
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — At least four people were shot outside of a Colorado Springs church on Sunday, but it was not immediately known whether the shootings were related to an earlier shooting about 70 miles away, authorities said.
I find your outrageous exaggerations off the wall and not all that honest, actually.
But, as my 61 years have shown me the very hard way,
many more times than I could count . . . sometimes
“It’s the Churches and the Mothers, stupid!”
Though, folks who wish to be honest and accurate about my postings may recall that I tended to lay more responsibility at the feet of FATHERS . . . as in
F A T H E R S
You know, the opposite of M O T H E R S???
Sheesh.
There is a warning in the bible about 'lukewarm' churches...
"Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked."Granted we are responsible for "what" church we choose to go to...on the other hand, the children of God are considered the church...it gets a bit confusing to say the least. To know that the church is the 'right' one, we have to pray, be selective, and pray to find the 'right' one. There are so many out there. BUT, we are ultimately responsible for our own sins, choices and decisions.
I'm off to the doc..be seeing ya soon.
I don’t recall a single one of us saying
“the incest-prone mother did it!”
So much for honesty and accuracy in posting.
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls; dogs and cats . . . Today’s lesson will be about EITHER/OR and BOTH/AND
1. Many folks with a desperate obsessive/compulsive need to bring greatly increased, often rigid and narrow but also usually vain attempts at order to their lives . . . often out of a chaotic ATTACHMENT DISORDERED childhood of their own the first 8 years of their lives . . .
2. tend to have an addictive, compulsive attachment to EITHER/OR explanations for life and life’s events. All manner of very complex events and experiences with many shadings of meaning and many gradients of cause and effect are shoe-horned into a tiny black box OR a tiny white box.
3. That enables such folks to feel slightly safer, more secure, more smug, more lofty and erudite . . . for a few minutes anyway—before they rush to find another
4. BLAZINGLY, BRAZENLY INACCURATE EITHER/OR to try and vainly attempt to squeeze reality into.
OTHER FOLKS, thankfully . . .
5. Realize that in Scripture as well as in life . . . God has constructed things with such complexity that He often slices straight catty wumpus across such simplistic interpretations of life and makes clear that a given situation or issue or set of issues and factors is a case of BOTH/AND much more than it is a case of EITHER/OR.
6. One example of this is when the pharisees asked Jesus whether an ill man’s sins had caused the illness OR his parents’ sins. JESUS SLICED THROUGH such EITHER/OR explanations.
I agree, Granny.
PING to
Arthur McGowan
and also to 2784
It would appear
that you haven’t understood a single thing I’ve written.
I’m sorry I’ve been such a poor communicator.
Please forgive me.
Thanks thanks.
The best of health to you and yours.
The heckler got booted? What’s up with that?
Huh?
Well, to tell the truth, I was just about to agree with you, because I considered my phrase, "It's the Churches and the Mothers, Stupid!" to be an exaggeration of your position.
But ironically, your very next line is: many more times than I could count . . . sometimes “It’s the Churches and the Mothers, stupid!”
Amazing! So I didn't exaggerate after all, it seems.
Since I obviously failed to create an "outrageous exaggeration" this time around, I hereby resolve to strive diligently the next time to achieve success. :-) :-)
The King of Straw Dog Oversimplifications is accusing those who disagree with him of posting oversimplified Straw Dog arguments.
Book 3, Chapters 7 & 9
"Every one says forgiveness is a lovely idea, until they have something to forgive ... And then, to mention the subject at all is to be greeted with howls of anger."
....On the whole, God's love for us is a much safer subject to think about than our love for Him. Nobody can always have devout feelings: and even if we could, feelings are not what God principally cares about. Christian Love, either towards God or towards man, is an affair of the will. If we are trying to do His will we are obeying the commandment, 'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God.' He will give us feelings of love if He pleases. We cannot create them for ourselves, and we must not demand them as a right. But the great thing to remember is that, though our feelings come and go, His love for us does not. It is not wearied by our sins, or our indifference; and, therefore, it is quite relentless in its determination that we shall be cured of those sins, at whatever cost to us, at whatever cost to Him.
ping
Reg post #2,775 - That’s the impression I got from his post too. I hope that it was just a wrong choice of wording, and not what he really meant.
What a weird group of people. Seems odd and poorly handled.
Conceivably handled wrong.
But from what I read of the article and what the pastor and the guy’s daughter said . . . seems reasonable enough to keep a . . . perhaps agitated . . . perhaps volitile . . .
at least questionable possibly hard to control person . . .
from being further disruptive at a critical sensitive time while they try and work out with him a better way for him to behave in the church family.
Clearly we don’t have sufficient information to be very dogmatic in our assumptions about it AT ALL.
imho.
Shooting victim remembered as 'beautiful, extraordinary lady'
Here's a quote from the end of the article. I almost missed it.
At Murray's funeral in Denver, brother Chris Murray said the killings were the devil's work. "Even though Satan attacked my brother, I truly feel God is going to save a whole generation of people through this," he said.
This sort of quote bothers me for some reason. It's as if there's a "Christian" script which they're following. Nothing wrong with wanting to say the right thing, as long as it doesn't short circuit the grieving process. The programmatic nature of their faith certainly seems evident in the quote.
Plus I hate hearing that an event is going to somehow "turn this generation to Christ." Events don't turn people to Christ. (After every cataclysmic or horrific event, we hear this mantra.) The Spirit does in conjunction with our efforts to make disciples. Oh, well, just sharing.
People, esp when grieving, need to try to make some sense of bad and look to God to bring good from it. Maybe, that’s what that was about.
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