Four People Shot Outside Colorado Springs New Life Church

Fox News ^ | 09 DEC 07 | Fox News

[aomagrat]

[I waited 45 seconds and actually posted something substantial--Ed.]

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — At least four people were shot outside of a Colorado Springs church on Sunday, but it was not immediately known whether the shootings were related to an earlier shooting about 70 miles away, authorities said.

[CindyDawg]

The funny thing about red flags is that they often are invisible until after the fact.

I think they all did the best they could, and the church was prepared, as much as you can prepare and still live freely.The missionaries "mission" Their customers are not Sunday School teachers. They know there are dangers.

[Rte66]

To memorialize this topic, as of now:

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937637/posts [Locked - dup]
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local news TV7 ^ | Dec 10, 2007 | Unknown

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Guard’s hands “didn’t even shake” as she shot gunman
Denver Post ^ | 12/10/2007 | Demetria Gallegos

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937631/posts
Security Guard: ‘God Guided Me And Protected Me’
thedenverchannel.com ^ | December 10, 2007 | staff

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1937621/posts
Female Church Member With Personal Pistol Kills Assassin, Saves Lives
Leibowitz’s Canticle ^ | December 10, 2007 | Leibowitz

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1937609/posts
Church killer was failed missionary [New Life / YWAM shootings in Colorado]
Times Online ^ | 12/10/2007

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937607/posts
Guard: ‘It seemed like it was me, the gunman and God’
Colorado Springs Gazette ^ | December.10, 2007 | Tom Roeder

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937576/posts
Gunman in Colorado shooting identified, official says
Yahoo! AP ^ | 12/10/07 | JUDITH KOHLER

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“The Bravest Thing I’ve Ever Seen”
via Hugh Hewitt ^ | Monday, December 10, 2007 | unknown

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937559/posts
News Confernce at 4PM MST on Colorado Shooter
Colorado 9 News ^

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937551/posts
Colorado Church Gunman `Hated Christians’
Houston Chronicle ^ | 12-10-07 | Judith Kohler

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937543/posts
Source: One gunman responsible for Colorado shootings
CNN.com ^ | Dec 10, 2007 | cnn

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Colorado Springs Gazette ^ | December. 10, 2007 | Perry Swanson

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Police Name Shooter [gunman at New Life Church in Colorado identified]
MyFox Colorado ^ | 12/10/2007

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937459/posts
CNN: “Female Security Guard Hailed as Hero”... “saved ‘hundreds of lives’”
www.cnn.com ^ | December 10, 2007 | CNN

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Colorado police look for links in church killings
Reuters ^ | 12/10/2007 | Keith Coffman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937260/posts
Attacks may be linked
Denver Post ^ | December 10, 2007 | Allison Sherry

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937210/posts
Nine shot in 2 church-related Colorado attacks
Reuters ^ | Dec 9, 2007 | By Keith Coffman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937068/posts
Four People Shot Outside Colorado Springs New Life Church
Fox News ^ | 09 DEC 07 | Fox News

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936987/posts
2 dead, 2 hurt in Colo. Christian dorm shooting
MSNBC ^ | 12-9-2007 | Associated Press

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936915/posts
Gunman wounds 4 in missionary center
Associated Press ^ | 9 December 2007 | Associated Press
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[Aliska]

The funny thing about red flags is that they often are invisible until after the fact.

Agreed, and the two people possibly most aware of them, if they would have remembered and connected, were dead. I've read most all of it, and you can't help wondering; I'm not criticizing anyone.

[CindyDawg]

Thanks for expressing what I was trying to. I also would shoot if I needed to but it would make me sad to have to

[CindyDawg]

I wonder what makes these kids go crazy too.

[yorkie]

>>>"but most people have been talking, on these threads, as if it were a fact that there were 7,000 people on site. Just another little point about waiting for real facts to emerge"<<<

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/5363716.html

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hU4ax39rFCnqHnipVp5TCGP6TKqgD8TESGQO1

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1926872007

http://www.denverpost.com/money/ci_7679696

http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2007-12-11T011025Z_01_N09332256_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-SHOOTING-COLORADO-COL.XML&archived=False

BohDa, you might want to reconsider your post. I did a search on Google, using only "7,000 people". I used no mention of anything else in my search box.

The result was 4,367 articles. All the ones I posted above stated 7,000 people were in the church at the time. (In fact, the last one, the Reuters article is only one hour old!)

If 4,367 have published news articles today stating there were 7,000 people in the church at the time of the shootings, how much longer do you expect us to wait for the "REAL FACTS TO EMERGE"?

May I suggest you don't read any posts here until the news is three days old?

[CindyDawg]

Of course there were not 7000 there. Some were in the cafe eating hamburgers:’)

[the808bass]

http://www.newstarget.com/019342.html

Your other link was better (which isn't saying much). There are lawsuits out there for patients who had a stroke and were on Plavix. Which is ridiculous. There were patients who sued Merck after being on samples for a week. Ridiculous. Now, if there was a nationwide class action suit, you'd have something. Right now, the data's not there. And a "Health and Nutrition" advocate (read: anti-pharmaceutical) saying that drugs are bad is about as predictable as the sun rising in the east.

From your link: emergence of suicidal ideation or behavior has been observed with many antidepressant pharmacotherapies

Being observed in a clinical trial is interesting, but I would imagine that placebo also had some emergent suicidal ideation.

As afar as the pharmaceutical industry being some sort of unregulated Wild Wild West, it's simply not the case. The pharmaceutical industry is more frightened of a lawsuit than WWIII.

A good peer-reviewed study in a respectable journal would go quite a ways. I'm sure there's researchers working on it as we speak.

[BohDaThone]

I just heard the pastor himself, live on the air, on LKL, say exactly what I said. 4367 articles saying what someone erroneously said to some reporter earlier and/or mis-reported don’t change that. Makes my point exactly.

[CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC]

Don't have the link at the moment, but one news source said he had a shotgun, a handgun and an AK47. Most other sources say "2 handguns and an assault rifle".

On KKTV earlier today (Colo Sprs TV station), they managed to get a reporter up to the front door very quickly, before the cops had a chance to clear all the reporters well away from the church. And she had a really short interview, that was interrupted by the cops, with a man who had been wounded in his left arm with what he was fairly certain were shotgun pellets. Of course, it could have been ricocheting plaster or concrete, right? Anyway, he was planning to go seek medical treatment eventually, to get the pieces removed, but didn't seem in a hurry to leave. He didn't consider it a very serious wound. (Unless you leave them in longterm!)

[nicmarlo]

foflmao!

[nicmarlo]

I never once thought there were 7,000 people there yesterday.

I believe I remember reading the church has a 7,000 membership.....since when do all members attend at the same time?

Every huge church I’ve attended (in excess of several thousands), there are more than 2 or 3 services, and sometimes, even 4 or 5, spanning two days.

[the808bass]

BTW, a good example is the pastor's statement just now on LKL, that the second service was over and there were "only" a few hundred people left on the campus.

This makes more sense, actually. I was wondering why the casualty count was so low if he had an assault gun a supposedly packed parking lot and thousands of people exiting the church.

[CindyDawg]

Exact numbers only count at liberal protests. There were a lot of people in danger though.

[Aliska]

I wonder what makes these kids go crazy too.

Bottled-up anger, mental illness, and alienation seem to be the common denominator (one or all three or many more) plus a sick need for attention. In all my high school years, we had one death from Russian roulette (risky but not to anyone but himself) and a hunting accident (think that guy lived), so all this is totally alien to me but having been around since it started, not new..

Kids think differently now. Plus they probably talk about more evil things than we would have thought of. Their entertainments have more evil elements in them. Clothing styles are unattractive and if they make the wearers feel good about themselves, I don't see how. I definitely think seeds are planted by sensationalizing these incidents in the news, not that I fault the news because we need to know what it going on and profiles of the perps. Our local paper had the Omaha incident placed at the top left, and published the photos when they came out. Then so many comments were so totally negative, they moved it off the front page of their website but kept it up.

This happens and you have to scroll way down on the left to see what they have on it. Plus they didn't open any of this one to comments.

[nicmarlo]

Most definitely a lot.

[Palladin]

Thanks for the info on the guns.

[CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC]

"Put on the whole armor of God."

Yup! That's the exact verse I was thinking of when I posted that.

Well, one thing's for certain. Any pastor in the land who finds himself this coming Saturday night with writer's cramp, with no good ideas or inspirations on anything to preach about on Sunday morning .... well, he ain't worth his salt.

[nicmarlo]

That’s a big Amen!

[Quix]

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