Population Implosion

World Magazine ^ | 2/15/2003 | Gene Edward Veith

[Jim W N]

Based also on estimated unreported abortions which are significant.

[RightWhale]

A lot of truth, although the details are somewhat crapulous. 100 million die each year.

[kabar]

and you're talking past the points I'm making. You know, we used to be 100% foreign born (except for the American Indian). I wonder how we survived? We not only survived but thrived. What in our land, society and culture has changed?

Silly analogy. And we were never 100% foreign born when this country gained its independence from the England. Read your American history. Huntington puts it best:

"America was created by 17th- and 18th-century settlers who were overwhelmingly white, British, and Protestant. Their values, institutions, and culture provided the foundation for and shaped the development of the United States in the following centuries. They initially defined America in terms of race, ethnicity, culture, and religion. Then, in the 18th century, they also had to define America ideologically to justify independence from their home country, which was also white, British, and Protestant. Thomas Jefferson set forth this “creed,” as Nobel Prize-winning economist Gunnar Myrdal called it, in the Declaration of Independence, and ever since, its principles have been reiterated by statesmen and espoused by the public as an essential component of U.S. identity.

"By the latter years of the 19th century, however, the ethnic component had been broadened to include Germans, Irish, and Scandinavians, and the United States' religious identity was being redefined more broadly from Protestant to Christian. With World War II and the assimilation of large numbers of southern and eastern European immigrants and their offspring into U.S. society, ethnicity virtually disappeared as a defining component of national identity. So did race, following the achievements of the civil rights movement and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. Americans now see and endorse their country as multiethnic and multiracial. As a result, American identity is now defined in terms of culture and creed."

"Most Americans see the creed as the crucial element of their national identity. The creed, however, was the product of the distinct Anglo-Protestant culture of the founding settlers. Key elements of that culture include the English language; Christianity; religious commitment; English concepts of the rule of law, including the responsibility of rulers and the rights of individuals; and dissenting Protestant values of individualism, the work ethic, and the belief that humans have the ability and the duty to try to create a heaven on earth, a “city on a hill.” Historically, millions of immigrants were attracted to the United States because of this culture and the economic opportunities and political liberties it made possible."

Blockading legal immigrants who truly want to enjoy the freedom to build their lives as they see fit is not the answer.

What the hell are you talking about? Who is trying to "blocade" legal immigrants? I guess it depends on how you define legal. People who enter our country without our permission and knowledge are illegal. I have no problem with legal immigrants, except we need to change our policies to control the numbers and to meet the needs of our economy. I am married to one and my grandmother was one.

[Jim W N]

...we need to change our policies to control the numbers and to meet the needs of our economy.

You're still missing the point. What economy are you talking about? Our current socialist-inclined economy held in the grasp of an ever larger and threatening central government? If so, you're catering to the wrong thing. As I've said, the answer is to rid ourselves of this unconstitutional blight or you won't have to worry about outsiders screwing up our country - the government will have already done it for you.

Once we're back on a limited government, free market economy, legal immigrants will be responsible for themselves as they should be. We're not responsible to take care of them, thus the irrelevance of "we can't afford them".

[kabar]

You don't get it. Curretnly, the number of legal immigrants has nothing to do with the needs of the economy. They are based on kinship and the interests of the immigrants and the politicians. We don't need a nation of almost half a billion people within the next 50 years. Demography is destiny.

The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster

[Jim W N]

We’re not getting anywhere. You keep talking about things like “the needs of the economy” like a good Socialist, and I keep talking about the free-market economy which needs to only be free of government restrictions to allow wealth creation. In a free-market economy, more people means (potentially) more wealth.

[kabar]

We are not getting anywhere because you don’t seem to understand the problem. A free market doesn’t mean an open border and unfettered migration of labor across national borders. It is about sovereignty. Do you believe in that concept?

[RetiredArmy]

Low birth rates??? Hell, do what the Marxist Dimocrats here in Amerika do. Abort your own and import illegals to replace them. Works for them here. So, they just need to import more illegals. We have a few extra million here we can give them.