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To: Ajnin
“They can’t keep drugs out of prisons because of political correctness.”

How is that? What does political correctness have to do with it people smuggling drugs into prisons? Are the prison guards involved politically correct and that’s why they do it? Are these politically correct druggies in prison who have drugs smuggled in, or figure out ways to smuggle them in themselves?

Political correctness has nothing to do with it. This has always been a problem. It’s a problem in every prisons system in every country. Prisons are full of criminals and there is a lot of demand for drugs in these facilities because a lot of these people are druggies. They figure out ways to get what they want. They have major underground economies working in prisons. Drugs, cigarettes, booze, they can get all of that and always have been able to.

“If prisons were actually used to punish instead of rehab and coddle no drugs would be getting in.”

I’m always hearing stuff like this from people who have no idea what they are talking about. First off, rehabilitation isn’t much of a focus anymore. It is about punishment. The prisons in my state are for the most part prison farms, miserable places to be. The drugs come in because there is big demand for the drugs and still enough money to be made that the demand is met. Now there is a big black market for tobacco in prisons too, since they’ve stopped letting prisoners smoke. One cigarette will make three “rollies” and each one of those tiny unfiltered cigarettes sells for a couple of bucks. Low paid prison guards are making a killing off tobacco too now. They’re the ones responsible for getting most of the contraband into these facilities. A lot of it is also brought in by family members during visitation, or by prisoners on work release, or in states like mine where we have prison farms by those prisoners out working the land who get packages tossed over the fence or whatever. We have gangs in prisons, like the Mexican Mafia, who actually run huge organizations on the outside from inside the prisons. This is nothing new. Mafia leaders did this in the 20’s. Escobar did it in Colombia.

I’ve worked in the criminal justice system for years. I’m in court all the time and I’ve visited a lot of prisons and jails. I’m not seeing prisoners being coddled and I’m not seeing the system overrun with liberal judges wanting to slap everyone on the wrist. I read a lot of articles on Freerepublic about instances of that going on, but I don’t think that is the norm at all. These articles work people up though. That’s why they get written and that’s why they all find their way here. In real life though most judges are hard asses, prosecutors in black robes who want to see everyone charged shut up and plead or be convicted at trial and hit hard when it comes to sentencing so that others will reconsider wasting the court’s time with trials. Prisons are awful places where rape and all sorts of other abuse are common. What little rehabilitation programs there are are jokes, and mainly used now as an excuse for cutting people loose early because our prisons are too full and there is no room for all the new convicts and states are starting to run out of money and can no longer continue to build more prisons at the frenetic pace we’ve been building them in the last thirty years or so since our total population of incarcerated persons started its heretofore unprecedented explosion in size in the late 1970’s.

90 posted on 12/04/2007 1:18:34 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

Have you ever heard of mail? What about visiting hours? How do you think they get the crap to make alcohol? They get all those priviledges because of politically correct beaurocrats that run the system. They shouldn’t get a damn think except an empty box and just barely enough sustanance to keep them alive. Prison is a misereable place for you and me to be, the criminals that habitually return to to prison have no problem. The idea that prison is about punishment is laughable.


112 posted on 12/04/2007 9:37:39 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: TKDietz

Disregard my last posts. I just reread your comment to me and I think we actually agree on the problem.


114 posted on 12/04/2007 10:45:40 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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