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To: Ken H

You’re comparing apples with oranges. I don’t agree they, tobacco and marijuana, should be treated the same. And your question doesn’t make sense in the light that they haven’t been treated the same. You’re asking me to speculate on something that hasn’t existed.

You criticize me for one word but ignore the contents of the paragraphs following it, no doubt because it was contrary to your position about Europe’s “enlightened” treatment of drug usage. Many socialist nations won’t deal with their problems. They just ignore them. You sound like a Libertarian; drugs should be legal than no problems would exist because of it’s use. Guess again. Spain eventually recriminalized the use of drugs again and the crime rate subsided.

You have avoided my main issue - that drug addicts are bankrupting our system and destroying our country by using poison produced by our enemies. So what are you proposing we do? (Throwing verbal stink bombs at me is easy. Coming up with a solution is hard.) If you’ve some magic elixir that will solve this problem, let’s take a look at it.


81 posted on 12/03/2007 9:08:18 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: SatinDoll
I don't agree they, tobacco and marijuana, should be treated the same.

I never said you did, but now that you mention it, you did not answer what your federal and state policy would be for mj. What say you?

And your question doesn't make sense in the light that they haven't been treated the same. You're asking me to speculate on something that hasn't existed.

Oh come on. Is there actually any doubt in your mind that a black market and its associated crime would NOT develop if tobacco were banned?

You criticize me for one word but ignore the contents of the paragraphs following it, no doubt because it was contrary to your position about Europe?s "enlightened treatment" of drug usage.

I used the Netherlands as an example. I did not generalize to include Europe. You did that.

You sound like a Libertarian; drugs should be legal than no problems would exist because of it's use. Guess again.

You sound like a Janet Reno supporter; use the power of government to kill undesirables. (See how easy it is to engage in innuendo and hyperbole?)

Spain eventually recriminalized the use of drugs again and the crime rate subsided.

So according to you, Spain decriminalized drugs, then crime went up, then they recriminalized, then crime went down. Do you have a source backing that up?

You have avoided my main issue - that drug addicts are bankrupting our system and destroying our country by using poison produced by our enemies.

Let's see some facts and figures which justify your claim of "bankrupting our system and destroying our country".

Why continue a policy that is impoverishing us and funding our enemies?

So what are you proposing we do?

I would regulate pretty much along the lines of alcohol, ie, let the States decide intrastate drug policies, instead of the federal government.

BTW, are you going to answer my other question about the original understanding of the Commerce Clause?

If you've some magic elixir that will solve this problem, let's take a look at it.

There is no magic elixir, just a more reasonable policy, IMO.

85 posted on 12/03/2007 10:41:34 PM PST by Ken H
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To: SatinDoll
“Spain eventually recriminalized the use of drugs again and the crime rate subsided.”

Use and possession of drugs for personal use in Spain are not criminal offenses. Spain has not recriminalized drugs. You are misinformed. Possession and use in public is a violation punishable by administrative sanctions, but not a crime. Possession at home isn’t even a civil violation, and it is not a crime for Spaniards to grow a small amount of cannabis at home for personal use. There are more rules there than there were prior to I think 1992 when possession and use in public were not against the law in Spain, but but drugs are still effectively decriminalized there.

http://eldd.emcdda.europa.eu/index.cfm?fuseaction=public.content&sLanguageISO=EN&nNodeID=5174

96 posted on 12/04/2007 2:41:29 PM PST by TKDietz
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