Posted on 11/30/2007 10:50:29 AM PST by Pyro7480
So you’re saying that since it’s unfair to blame the Crusades and Hitler on the Catholic faith, it’s unfair to blame Lenin and Stalin on the beliefs of atheists?
I’m so glad we are in agreement. :)
Please explain how Hitler’s plan to kidnap and hang Pius XII in Saint Peter’s Square was inspired by “Catholicism.” I will be watching for an answer.
Well, there’s probably a hundred million easily in Europe — about 25 million at least in the UK alone — and another 20 million in the US.
But, okay, so even if you’re right, how does changing “hundreds of millions” to “tens of millions” make my point any less valid?
From where do these rights reside? The Founding Fathers of the Greatest Nation ever say God.
No. Atheism in combination with Human Nature leads to tyranny. Christianity in combination with Human Nature militates against tyranny.
Many countries in Europe are majority non-believers, or close to it, and since the Wall came down, none has shown any desire or propensity to impose a dictatorial atheistic regime.
No? Ever hear of the European Union?
No one's blaming the evils of communism on non-belief. We're blaming the existence of the monstrous communist political philosophy (which leads to mass carnage of commodity human beings) on the bankrupt and despairing notion that God doesn't exist. It certainly wasn't Christianity that devised Marxist thought, so, I'm afraid the atheists will have to take the blame for this one.
If you’re not reading this post in Arabic, thank a Crusader.
Source please?
LOL! Honestly, I don't think that nonsense even deserves a reply.
Agreed. The problem is, Communism, in its proper order, negates the individual and his free will - leaving him inevitably fodder for tyrants who can sweep hundreds of thousands of us away without an ounce of remorse. People who use religion as a tool to do these things do not pass judgment on religion, but their perverted, evil interpretation of Christian teaching, which, last I checked, does not provide for genocide and squashing of the human spirit.
You just said there were 20 million Atheists in this country. Seems like enough man power to keep the mills and the propaganda pumping.
“But, okay, so even if you’re right, how does changing “hundreds of millions” to “tens of millions” make my point any less valid?”
I just wanted to know how seriously to take many of the facts in your posts.
You should silverleaf's post again because I think you misread it.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Okay, I don’t have the stats to hand. I do recall seeing a study a while back, but I can’t find it, and you can’t use the raw stats because of the different availability of abortion services in different states skew the states.
So I withdraw that comment, but it remains undeniable that given the tiny proportion of atheists in the US population (less than 10%), blame for the vast majority of the abortions in the US must be be laid at the feet of believers. If there was no supply, there would be no demand.
Hitler renounced Catholicism. Hitler and his minions were adherents of Norse Mythology, which was a lovely precursor to... wait for it... the New Age movement.
So far as "1,000 years of killing" it's a lot better than, "1000 years of being killed", or, "1000 years of being Muslim", wouldn't you say?
As Stalin rightly opined, "How many divisions does the Pope have?" The answer is "none". So much for the military might of the Vatican.
Catholics don’t like to be reminded that Hitler was one of theirs, or that his Catholic upbringing steeped him in anti-semitism. He often referred to his drive to exterminate the Jews as the “Lord’s Work”, from his writing in Mein Kampf to his public addresses during the Nazi years.
If the current Pope doesn’t want to embrace Hitler’s legacy as a Catholic one (as Pope Pius XII did in 1939), then it seems unfair of him to attempt to link Communism with Atheism.
That’s being awfully selective with history.
Right. Communism.
Atheism has as little to do with Communism as you claim that real Christianity has to do with genocide.
And it’s not atheists who have a holy book which provides examples of righteous and justifiable genocidal activities, including the mass slaughter of babies and children and the mass enslavement and rape of virgin women.
Remember, God supposedly commanded these things, and thus according to Christianity genocide, rape, and enslavement are sometimes a “good thing”.
I would agree with you that so-called believers have not done enough to prevent abortion, absolutely. But I would argue the percentage of practical atheists is higher than 10% consisting of liberal Christians, agnostics, and the like. I believe the 10% figure is more likely those who openly profess themselves Atheists. And even the 10% figure is probably a bit high because I don't truly believe all Atheists are faithful to their atheist religion when the chips are down.
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