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To: SubGeniusX

Ah, you so glibly provide a posthumous voice for the founding fathers, but I hear more SubgeniusX than Thomas Jefferson in the chorus. I guess you also believe that the Fathers would condone pornography and seditious tirades in time of war as free speech. I sincerely believe that they would not consider these (rare) searches as “unreasonable” given the present state of lawlessness in the country. I also don’t believe that these search requests are routinely made absent some degree of suspicious behavior or circumstances as the ACLU and the activist authoress of the article would have us believe. As for the other points, see my post at 151. Rights of any kind aren’t absolute.


165 posted on 11/29/2007 10:41:26 AM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Dionysius
Ah, you so glibly provide a posthumous voice for the founding fathers...

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

is not glib or "posthumous"... pretty straight forward I think...

Rights of any kind aren’t absolute.

yes they are ... rights are not granted by the Govt. our founding fathers thought that was "self evident" -

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If Rights are "endowed by the Creator" they are absolute ... do you disagree?


but then again maybe I'm just being glib ...

174 posted on 11/29/2007 11:22:30 AM PST by SubGeniusX (The People have Unenumerated Rights, The Government does not have Unenumerated Powers!)
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To: Dionysius
I sincerely believe that they would not consider these (rare) searches as “unreasonable” given the present state of lawlessness in the country.

I sincerely don't believe King George III thought that the "Quartering of Troops" was "unreasonable given the state of lawlessness in the" Colonies...

now I do understand that times change and that some folks believe that the Constitution is a malleable document ... I think from the sound of what you are saying that you would agree with the man who said this

"...our Constitution is a living and breathing document, that it was intended by our founders to be interpreted in the light of the constantly evolving experience of the American people."

182 posted on 11/29/2007 11:49:55 AM PST by SubGeniusX (The People have Unenumerated Rights, The Government does not have Unenumerated Powers!)
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