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Burden of Proof [Math 55 at Harvard]
The Harvard Crimson ^ | 6 Dec 2006 | Logan R. Ury

Posted on 11/27/2007 7:00:02 PM PST by snarks_when_bored

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To: snarks_when_bored
It seems to me that topology always sounds like more fun than it turns out to be. A lot of what I do for a living now is applying the same kinds of concepts along with some probability, but since I'm not constrained by the "closed form" obsession that seems to drive theorists, I can have a lot more fun with it.

In my space, a closed form solution is nice if you can get something for it like performance speed or whatever, but it's by no means a requirement. Usually it's better to be correct if a little sloppy and "elegant" is just the icing on the cake.

Still sounds like a fun class though.

61 posted on 11/28/2007 2:55:24 AM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Reminds me of Math 201 at OU in the sixties. Differential Equations for Scientists and Engineers. The prof started the class with “It’s a pleasure to see so many of you back from last semester. I fully expect to see 80% back again next semester.”

Essentially, there were three sections and two teachers. Professor Lafond taught two. You repeated the class until you got someone other than Lafond, then you passed the class.


62 posted on 11/28/2007 2:58:38 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

I used to have aspirations to be an astrophysicist until I took the physics equivalant of this at Cornell. I did OK in the course but there were some students who were frighteningly brilliant. I just wasn’t in their league. It forced me to rethink my career goal.


63 posted on 11/28/2007 3:01:11 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: All

Math knowledge has a halflife of like 4 months. I got out of the airforce and wanted to continue with Junior level math classes (300+?), and couldn’t do it. (That and the pro-fessor was using radically different syntax)

Today I couldn’t simplify a polynomial equation to save my life.

My favorite math was geometry in high school. I was behind in high school, between 10th and 11th grade, so I bought myself a summer geometry class. Its amazing how much you can learn without being burdened with 8 other different subjects all at once.

School is structured all wrong. You can’t force a kid to be interested in a subject, you can’t learn a subject unless you are interested in it.


64 posted on 11/28/2007 3:17:31 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: snarks_when_bored
Perhaps you did not note or understand my "/sar" tag meaning that I was being sarcastic. We have many discussions on these boards with a surprising number of Freepers arguing for genes having a minimum effect on intelligence.

But, thanks for the Plato quote--not surprising.

65 posted on 11/28/2007 4:36:51 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to)
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To: Pharmboy
Perhaps you did not note or understand my "/sar" tag meaning that I was being sarcastic.

I noticed your /sar tag. I was just buttressing your point...

66 posted on 11/28/2007 6:48:18 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
You are correct. How long did it take for you to reason this out?

It didn't require reasoning; just a bit of recollection, followed by some verification.

67 posted on 11/28/2007 6:51:53 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Well, I suppose I should at least provide the answer to:

Sum[Cos[x*n]/n]=?, where n=1,...,Infinity.

That is,

Sum[Cos[x*n]/n]= -Ln[2*Sin[x/2]] where x is bounded between 0 and 2*Pi.

The problem is that there's no "standard" way that I'm aware of to prove this. I had to resort to some older techniques.

68 posted on 11/28/2007 10:46:48 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
Will Mathematica sum that series?
69 posted on 11/28/2007 11:41:55 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Will Mathematica sum that series?

Yes, Versions 5.0 and later will. Earlier versions will inform the user that the seriers fails to converge. I just checked.

Also, Mathematica 6.0 doesn't yield the "nice" answer I provided unless you set x to a specific value (e.g. x=1).

In general, Mathematica 6.0 will yield:

(1/2)(-Ln[1-exp{-i*x}] - Ln[1-exp{i*x}])

70 posted on 11/28/2007 12:22:03 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: snarks_when_bored
This sort of sum shows up, for example, in studies of the Gibbs Phenomenon (see Many sine functions for graphs).

Artefacts of an incomplete basis set, then...

Is there any practical interest in either differing convergence rates with the type of discontinuity, the characteristics of the partial series (e.g. if FFT shows different ringing than a conventional Fourier), or the behaviour as you include more and more terms?

...or did I just re-invent a well-known square wheel from the 1800's?

Cheers!

71 posted on 11/28/2007 4:28:48 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: piytar
Something tells me Larry Summers shoulda mentioned this class before he happened to get canned by the PC womyn's studies' types.

Cheers!

72 posted on 11/28/2007 4:43:07 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Hunterite
Understand that MA-153-154 was only the "core" curriculum. I had to take Diff. Equations as an engineering major. Then I ended up taking Adv. Stats as a Senior.

EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE (including historians and linguists)had to take 3 semesters of Calculus and 1 semester of Prob/ Stat.

Anyone not ready to take college calculus was in "Ranger Math."

73 posted on 11/28/2007 5:46:50 PM PST by Lysandru
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To: grey_whiskers
Is there any practical interest in either differing convergence rates...or the behaviour as you include more and more terms?

Yes, there is a practical interest, it's called ERROR in the approximation of an infinite series. ;-)

74 posted on 11/28/2007 10:17:57 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: grey_whiskers
Is there any practical interest in either differing convergence rates with the type of discontinuity, the characteristics of the partial series (e.g. if FFT shows different ringing than a conventional Fourier), or the behaviour as you include more and more terms?

The Wikipedia entry on the Gibbs phenomenon is pretty informative, g_w. As for practicalities, the entry points out that there's no overshoot/undershoot if wavelet transforms are used. Something else to study (tentatively scheduled for the spring of 2093)...

75 posted on 11/29/2007 1:35:00 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Thx, I'll look up wikipedia...and I agree about 2093.

Cheers!

76 posted on 11/29/2007 4:42:09 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

I’d love to take it. I would probably take me a week to understand every hour of the class, however.


77 posted on 11/30/2007 3:19:56 PM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

I know I’m late, but here’s my stab. Since you’re summing as n goes from 1 to infinity, doesn’t that just converge to an integral over n? In that case, you can integrate Cos (nx)/n using the quotient rule, yielding something like x*(sin x + cos x).

Am I even close?


78 posted on 12/04/2007 3:26:23 PM PST by MikeD (We live in a world where babies are like velveteen rabbits that only become real if they are loved.)
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To: snarks_when_bored
The tribe has spoken.

That's an odd analogy (the Survivor TV Show one). The people who dropped the course self-selected to drop. They were not "voted off the island" at all.

79 posted on 12/04/2007 3:34:55 PM PST by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: MikeD
Am I even close?

You should get the result that I provided in Post #68, which, of course, can be equivalently expressed as

Sum[Cos[n*x]/n]= -(1/2)*Ln[2 - 2*Cos[x]]

80 posted on 12/04/2007 4:53:32 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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