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To: stockstrader
I'd heard about your . . . um, spam . . . but, anyway, wait no longer. You wrote:

If you want a more authoritarian, bullying, more intrusive, more controlling, all-powerful, ‘big government knows best’, 'Big Brother' type of government,,,,,

> Assuming your point in arguendo: I want to avoid an even more authoritarian blah blah government. Therefore, I won't contribute to a Rat victory by not voting for the Republican nominee, whoever that is.

headed by an east coast liberal who worked in the Bobby Kennedy campaign, voted for George McGovern, who as mayor publicly distanced himself from Ronald Reagan,,,,

Please see the resume of Mrs. Bill Clinton.

who vocally supported and proudly endorsed a far-left, liberal, big-government, socialist, democrat like Mario Cuomo over the Republican candidate for governor (largely because the Republican wanted to cut state income taxes),,,,

Please see the resume of Mrs. Bill Clinton and Mr. Bill Clinton, who will also be back on the national stage, influencing policy, campaigning, dealmaking, appearing on news shows should Mrs. Bill Clinton be elected.

who has been a public defender of Bill Clinton on more than one occasion,,,

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!!

Okay, please see Mrs. Bill Clinton's not-only public defense of Bill Clinton, but the fact that she presently promotes him and intends to do so in her administration. IOW, under the Hildabeast, Bubba will be back in the saddle again. Which strikes me as a worse result than electing someone who (again, giving you your point in arguendo) "has been a public defender" of Bubba.

who first ran for mayor on the LIBERAL PARTY ticket,,,,

Ruh roh, you got me there. After all, Hildy started out as a Republican and a Goldwater Girl! (By your logic, we should give her Brownie points then?)

and who proudly positioned himself as a gun-grabbing, pro-amnesty, pro-litigation, pro-abortion, gay-rights crusading, condescending, arrogant, and narcissistic LIBERAL, New York ‘pit bull’ lawyer,,,,

Please see the resume of Mrs. Bill Clinton. Plus, it's obvious that a Republican president will have to care more about what his party thinks about judicial appointments than what the other party thinks. So it's better not to vote for (or refuse to vote against) the Party of Death.

who believes in sanctuary cities, global warming, encouraging more illegal aliens to come here by telling them they are not really illegal, and whose idea of fiscal restraint is using our tax money for Federally-funded abortions,,,,

Please see the resume of Mrs. Bill Clinton.

who was SO LIBERAL that he wasn’t even invited to the Republican Convention in ’96--after refusing to endorse (until the last minute) the Republican candidate opposing Clinton, while saying that (paraphrasing here) "he did not want to waste his time",,,,

Ditto.

and a cousin-marrying, Clinton-apologist (and now I can add ‘Obama-apologist’)--whose personal life is an absolute TRAIN WRECK (and whose blatant, public cheating on his wife almost makes Bill Clinton look like a decent family man and loving husband--if that is even possible).

Ditto.

If you want to abandon and sacrifice traditional, core, bedrock, conservative principles and values while destroying the ‘Conservative Identity’ of the Republican Party--a LIBERAL BULLY like Rudy is the RIGHT MAN AT THE RIGHT TIME!!!!

You're it. This is the question I asked you, so I'm waiting. What's your evidence that voting Republican in the next election will destroy the "conservative identity"? And what's your evidence that anyone who is committed to traditional values and conservative principles is going to abandon them just because so-and-so gets elected?

I'm not. Are you?

534 posted on 11/25/2007 11:09:40 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: fightinJAG
Thanks for pointing out the incredible similarities between Rudy and Hillary. I couldn’t have done a better job myself!!!! Thank you…lol

I answered those questions you posed in my last response. If you can’t understand my straightforward answers, what’s the point in continuing a so-called debate with you?

I will answer this one last question about Slick, though. After that, you can have the last word because it’s obviously a total waste of my time to even try to debate someone who is so willing to help elect Hillary--by abandoning the conservative base and its long held, bedrock, core positions—to support a liberal (who will morph the Party into something totally unrecognizable by traditional conservative standards). That is disgusting. Not to worry, though. Rudy, and his Apologists have PROMISED us that they will appoint personnel and implement policies to protect us from liberals like himself!! /s

Slick most certainly DID help make the distinction between conservatism and liberalism more clear. Conservatives believe in limited government and personal responsibility-things which no one will ever accuse Clinton of. Let’s see here, Guiliani is an authoritarian big government bully. Guiliani publicly stated that most of Slick’s positions were similar to his. And among the Presidential candidates, Slick’s pathetic personal life is rivaled by only Guiliani’s. Geeee, do you think that Rudy might BLUR THAT DISTINCTION somewhat? No math even required here (and I won’t even mention ALL of the particular issues that blur that distinction even more from post 429—which, btw, you helped to highlight the similiarities between the two. Thank you again).

The ONLY way that Hillary can POSSIBLY get elected (with her high negatives) is to DIVIDE and SPLIT the Republican Party WIDE OPEN—while demoralizing the base. No one does that better than Rudy. No one. If there is a LIBERAL RUNOFF—there will be only one Party that will UNITED and ENERGIZED. (Again, hint: It won’t be the GOP).

Energy and enthusiasm for your candidate from your base is important, very important (turnout, phone banks, volunteer time, etc), even critical in these days of close elections.

Can you picture a wildly cheering enthusiastic 'conservative base' on the convention floor passionately cheering the acceptance speech from an authoritarian liberal, pro-abortion, gun-grabbing, pro-amnesty, pro-litigation, gay rights crusader who believes in federal funding for abortion, sanctuary cities, global warming, and whose personal life is an absolute ‘train wreck’??? Maybe you can, but I can't.

When you look at the willingness of many here on FR (a supposedly conservative site) to support a liberal like Rudy—comments made by Chuckie Schumer (one of Rudy's liberal buddies) right after this last election come to mind. Chuckie Schumer (someone who will be happy to work in a bi-partisan manner with Rudy on many of the social issues on Rudy’s agenda) was 100% ‘spot on’—when he proudly boasted that, “THE REAGAN REVOLUTION IS DEAD”. When you look at the number of Rudy Apologists willing to support a liberal on here--no truer words were ever spoken. No question about it. None at all.

If you want to elect Hillary, by throwing the conservative base (about 25% of the Party) ‘under the bus’,,,,Rudy is the RIGHT MAN AT THE RIGHT TIME! Knock yourself out. But as far as I am concerned (and many in the base agree with me) liberals like Hillary and Rudy need to be kept as far as possible from the White House. Maybe you can win (if you can call that a win) without the base, maybe not. We’ll see. I don’t think you can, and I certainly will not help. But either way, enjoy your NEW LIBERAL Party. Enjoy Hillary too!

569 posted on 11/26/2007 5:56:51 AM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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