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Church of England head lauds British Raj (and trashes “American neo-imperialism in Iraq”)
The Times of India ^ | 25 Nov 2007, 1800 hrs IST | Rashmee Roshan Lall

Posted on 11/25/2007 5:05:03 PM PST by Gengis Khan

LONDON: The spiritual head of the Church of England has launched an extraordinary defence of the British Raj, saying it was benign to India compared with cack-handed American neo-imperialism in Iraq.

Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, who officially leads nearly 80 million Anglicans worldwide, told a British Muslim lifestyle magazine that the British experiment in India was an example of caring colonialism.

On Sunday, the comments were criticised by observers as a patronising justification of imperial Britain's grip on India.

Sources said it was surprising that Williams, a long-term critic of the Anglo-American 2003 invasion of Iraq, was getting into dangerous historical territory such as the British Raj.

Williams, who is known as a free-thinking churchman, said, "It is one thing to take over a territory and then pour energy and resources into administering it and normalising it. Rightly or wrongly, that's what the British Empire did, in India for example".

He added that "it is another thing to go in on the assumption that a quick burst of violent action will somehow clear the decks and that you can move on and other people will put it back together – Iraq, for example".

The Archbishop's interview was conducted by Sarah Joseph, a white English convert to Islam who edits Emel. Joseph, a hijab-wearing Muslim who has, in the past, criticised European attitudes to its large and growing Muslim community, described Williams' job as "the most political of religious roles".

Williams said, using words that would be music to the ears of disaffected British Muslims, that the US, as the only "global hegemonic power", was trying to accumulate influence and control, rather than territory. But he said "That is not working" and the result was "the worst of all worlds".

He said the US had lost the moral high ground since 9/11 and made a further controversial attack on Western modernity as a whole, saying it "really does eat away at the soul."

Williams' most pessimistic comments yet on the state of western civilisation have provoked anger within sections of the British establishment, even as his pat on the back to the Raj has gone almost unnoticed.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: britain; india; iraq; rowanwilliams; uk
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"It is one thing to take over a territory and then pour energy and resources into administering it and normalising it. Rightly or wrongly, that's what the British Empire did, in India for example".

Dang! And all the time I thought the Brits sucked all the resources while they could ......and had to cut and run leaving the subcontinent impoverished and in a historic mess, the effects of which we are still facing today.

Thank God for the enlightenment from the Church of England......

1 posted on 11/25/2007 5:05:06 PM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan; Huber
Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, who officially leads nearly 80 million Anglicans worldwide,

Well, "leads" is kind of an odd way to put it, but I guess the author doesn't understand the setup.

2 posted on 11/25/2007 5:12:16 PM PST by sionnsar
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To: Gengis Khan

One might add the ArchDruid may well preside over the breakup of the worldwide Anglican Communion — with him “leading” (sic) the smallest piece.


3 posted on 11/25/2007 5:13:34 PM PST by sionnsar
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To: sionnsar

Not to mention the Anglicans already walking apart from TEC, CofE and their ilk.


4 posted on 11/25/2007 5:15:19 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar
much of what he said sounds like it came from the same playbook used by the liberal gay activists who have taken control of the Episcopal Church, USA>
5 posted on 11/25/2007 5:20:58 PM PST by elpadre
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To: Gengis Khan

Sorry, but even religious leaders can be complete hypocritical idiots. Human failings and all that.


6 posted on 11/25/2007 5:23:39 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (“If a tax cut increases government revenues, you haven’t cut taxes enough.” –Milton Friedman)
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To: Gengis Khan
.... le genti dolorose c'hanno perduto il ben dell'intelletto

Wow! It's frightening to behold. They've lost their minds -- thrown them overboard!

7 posted on 11/25/2007 5:23:59 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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Well, "leads" is kind of an odd way to put it, but I guess the author doesn't understand the setup.

For explanation, the Anglican churches are traditionally national churches whose boundaries are, well, national and otherwise independent. The Archbishop of Canterbury was considered "foremost among equals" simply due to his position with "Mother Church" (CofE). Some time ago it was decided to have a regular "tea" among the leaders, with the AoC issuing the invites, and thus was the decennial "Lambeth Conference" born. One was deemed to be in the world-wide Anglican Communion (wwAC) if one was invited, and not if one wasn't. There was no more power than that.

In the last century Mother Church went dotty and her American offspring (The Episcopal Church) went off the deep end, taking Canada and NZ with her. All those churches are in decline, but there are traditional(ly orthodox) Anglican churches in those realms, not affiliated with the wwAC is today, due (in part) to its slow disaffiliation -- though Anglicans tend to be Entishly slow to act. However, those churches number likely no more than 2 million out of the almost 80 million Anglicans today.

8 posted on 11/25/2007 5:25:25 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: elpadre
much of what he said sounds like it came from the same playbook used by the liberal gay activists who have taken control of the Episcopal Church, USA

You are correct. I think he's still trying to hold it all together.

9 posted on 11/25/2007 5:26:29 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Gengis Khan
So its OK for the Brits to conquer and occupy a country under force for 190 years but not OK for a colaition of countries to get rid of a terrorist loving dictator and allow the Iraqis to install their own democracy and government? This is irrational and there should be someone on our side countering this baloney in the media. Bush's big mistake was allowing these types of comments to go unchallenged.

A few years ago we spent Christmas in England and went to the Canterbury Cathedral for Christmas mass (don’t recommend this). It was an interesting experience but what was bizarre to me is that Jesus name hardly came up in the service. Here it was Jesus’ birthday we were supposed to be celebrating and all I can recall this man talking about was world peace and things related to mankind and one-world nonsense. I listened and Jesus’ name might have come up once or twice. I was astounded.

10 posted on 11/25/2007 5:31:39 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Gengis Khan
Comparing the US occupation of Iraq with a colonial regime that produced this is a fine example of what the Brits call "cheek".

It's usually a quality associated with impertinent children.

11 posted on 11/25/2007 5:34:20 PM PST by Campion
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To: sionnsar

Whats their association with Muslims? Why the appeasement attempt?


12 posted on 11/25/2007 5:38:55 PM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop Old Queen of Canterbury,...
13 posted on 11/25/2007 5:41:29 PM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Gengis Khan

A British fellow saying we are the worst imperialists, am I the only one finding this a bit ironic, seeing as his nation expanded her commerce and empire for hundreds of years at the tip of a bayonet?


14 posted on 11/25/2007 5:43:36 PM PST by Historix
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To: Gengis Khan
I am a free thinking Anglican.

Williams is off his rocker.

15 posted on 11/25/2007 5:48:31 PM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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Whats their association with Muslims? Why the appeasement attempt?

No idea, unless it's concern for the Anglican churches in Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East, which are today generally headed by liberals. Possible exception is Egypt where there is a greater attempt at outreach despite repression from the authorities.

(But in the latter there are some lively pan-African Anglican communities, as my wife observed two weeks ago in the Anglican cathedral in Egypt.)

16 posted on 11/25/2007 5:56:48 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Gengis Khan
Whats their association with Muslims? Why the appeasement attempt?

No idea, unless it's concern for the Anglican churches in Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East, which are today generally headed by liberals. Possible exception is Egypt where there is a greater attempt at outreach despite repression from the authorities.

(But in the latter there are some lively pan-African Anglican communities, as my wife observed two weeks ago in the Anglican cathedral in Cairo.)

17 posted on 11/25/2007 5:56:54 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: FormerACLUmember

“Sorry, but even religious leaders can be complete hypocritical idiots. Human failings and all that.”

Wherever there is tolerance of homosexuality, there Satan is.


18 posted on 11/25/2007 6:04:45 PM PST by dsc
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To: Gengis Khan

“Dr Rowan Williams”=a$$hole


19 posted on 11/25/2007 6:16:22 PM PST by robomatik
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To: Gengis Khan

There must be about 11 people in the whole UK who still take this buffoon seriously as any kind of spiritual leader. He can still get an audience, though, by pandering to the far left media and their Muslim allies.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,”

The very first words of the Bill of Rights. The Founding Fathers certainly knew what they were about.


20 posted on 11/25/2007 6:38:08 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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