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To: secretagent

Technically, when the subject was pulled over he was under arrest-a traffic stop is considered a non-custodial arrest by the courts. Once he refused to sign the citation, he was technically telling the cop that he wanted to see a judge right now.

Once the cop started giving commands, he was taking the subjects liberty, leading to a formal custodial arrest. Custodial arrest involves contact and physically taking custody, hence the “Put your hands behind the back” As the cuffs are applied, the suspect is told they are under arrest under most states laws and procedures.

I will admit the officer could have handled the situation better, with some better verbage when the subject refused to sign. (If you refuse to sign I am required by law to take you into custody, etc.) He could have used better tactics, but I will not do a MMQB on what he did-I was not there.

The subject was completely out of line trying to run a trial on the side of the road. If he had problems, he needed to tell the judge, not the cop.

Depending on his department policies and state laws procedurally, he appears to be doing what was authorized.


71 posted on 11/22/2007 4:29:16 PM PST by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: 5Madman2

“He could have used better tactics, but I will not do a MMQB on what he did-I was not there.”

Yep cops backing cops up no matter what they do.


72 posted on 11/22/2007 4:32:05 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: 5Madman2
Thanks.

I will admit the officer could have handled the situation better, with some better verbage when the subject refused to sign. (If you refuse to sign I am required by law to take you into custody, etc.)

Yes. Seeing as many of us at FR had assumed that an officer had a legal requirement to announce an arrest prior to issuing an order to comply, perhaps this mistaken notion was also held by the arrestee.

He may have thought he was standing up to a "rogue cop".

On the other hand, a more mature citizen might have asked the officer "Am I under arrest?", helping the officer stay within the law, should the citizen have feared the officer had strayed, as humans will do.

79 posted on 11/22/2007 6:30:21 PM PST by secretagent
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To: 5Madman2

Thank you.

I wish I could give out points to those who seem to be

MATURE
EDUCATED
KNOW THE LAW
HAVE SOME DAMN COMMON SENSE

You would have quite a few points already.


84 posted on 11/22/2007 7:15:05 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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