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To: murron

Your “people who work in the medical field” are telling you stories or you are telling stories yourself.

There are extensive protocols in the treatment of potential organ donors. Brain death is not just an opinion of one doctor. There are medical tests involved, and it is done entirely separately from the transplant process. There is no reason to rush this process, because we have technology to keep someone artificially alive for a long time. The donor card gives the doctors a start on tissue typing, nothing more.

Mistakes can and do happen, even when precautions are taken to avoid them. They do not happen frequently. The idea that doctors are looking for lucrative organ transplants is downright dishonest. Many times organ transplants are done at the expense on the medical facility, not for huge profits.

I wonder if it occurs to you that there are thousands of people who will only live if they receive an organ transplant. Your lies about the process may cost them their lives, while failing to accomplish anything else. I urge you to look into the reality of some of these claims before repeating them.


52 posted on 11/21/2007 11:21:52 AM PST by ga medic
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To: ga medic

Well said!!!!!!


58 posted on 11/21/2007 11:27:20 AM PST by ebersole
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To: ga medic; trumandogz; 3niner; ebersole; Rita Hayworth

“Your “people who work in the medical field” are telling you stories or you are telling stories yourself.”

First of all, I don’t appreciate being called a liar. I have been posting on Free Republic a long time and I don’t post false or erroneous information. If you have a disagreement with what I say, that’s one thing. But don’t impugn my integrity.

Second, to all those who think that the medical profession is above any sort of chicanery just don’t know the full story. There has been a slippery slope going on for quite a while. I have been involved with issues of life for more than 20 years, and abortion is only the tip of the iceberg. Just like with any field, there are your good and your bad. The good ones are labelled as “crazies” or “liars” and that is supposed to shut them up. These people I know are the good ones. They are on the front lines as well, and they have confirmed that this does happen. Why don’t they report it? Because they would be labelled liars, just as was done here. The original story that started this discussion should be enough of an eye-opener. People who are in car accidents are not given the opportunity to recover if the families sign over the organs. As far as the organ donor workers not being affiliated with the hospitals, the hospitals know they are there. They wouldn’t be allowed to do what they do and harass families who are grieving into signing over the organs if they didn’t have the hospitals’ blessings. Within 24 hours of an accident, these people with their clipboards are already manning their posts and asking the families for the organs. They wouldn’t know who to ask if the doctors didn’t inform them of who was “brain dead”. 24 hours is certainly not enough time to determine if the person is going to come out of their comas. If this was happening after the person had been in a coma for a while, say a year, then you may agree that the person has no reasonable hope of recovery. But 24 hours is not enough time.


114 posted on 11/22/2007 6:42:18 AM PST by murron
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To: ga medic; murron

Well I am an RN for the past 22 years and I’m telling you the “pushiness” for a quick organ donation does occur! Some of the younger RN’s have been especially indoctrinated into the quicky “your young (brain bleed accident you pick the insult) victim has no hope” syndrome and are on the phone to Lifenet(Central Va’s organ donor quasi NGO) to get the whole ball going only to discover that the patient starts responding and the donation ends up not happening!

Yes there are protocols in place but mostly for detirmination of brain death or non survivable catastrophic
injury so that cardio vascular support of the “living cadaver” can be maintained until the vivisectors arrive.

I am not against the notion of donation, I am against a system of thought and practices that “hurries” the families along with-out the full detirmination of the patient’s present status and prospects for rehab!

I have seen patients who have had major insults in their brains stroll back through our units thanking those who had given them care. Some will always have some lingering memory or physical deficits, but 99% have gone on to resume useful lives.

These times scare me!


117 posted on 11/22/2007 7:12:41 AM PST by mdmathis6
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