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To: RobbyS
I agree with pretty much all you say.

The AGW folks are being challenged now, and seem to be forced into somewhat of a retreat. Global warming is real, but the cause being entirely blamed on mankind is less clear than Algore et al. claim. Global warming is what brought an end to the last ice age! And that was close to 15,000 years ago.

But back to Intelligent Design and the natural world: ID is religion, not science. There is no scientific evidence for ID; there is only the same lack of evidence/knowledge that had once attributed thunder and lightning to the gods. This lack of evidence is seized upon by those seeking to exploit gaps in scientific knowledge into which to insert their particular religious beliefs.

Science has gradually filled these gaps. Scientific gaps are a risky place to lodge one's beliefs.

188 posted on 12/03/2007 9:59:59 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

I certainly don’t believe in a god of the gaps. On the other hand, I find it hard to conceive of any development of modern science except that the belief of scientists in intelligent design, by which I mean what Whitehead said about the matter. Methodical doubt is not the same thing as scepticism. Don’t forget that Dsecartes was sure of two things, a p riori, so to speak: That he existed, that God existed. These are the guarantees that we can actually know things. Scepticism is simply the belief that we begin in nothing and end in nothing; so eat, drink and be merry. But progress cannot come from dissipation.


189 posted on 12/03/2007 10:18:39 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Coyoteman

[[But back to Intelligent Design and the natural world: ID is religion, not science. There is no scientific evidence for ID; there is only the same lack of evidence/knowledge that had once attributed thunder and lightning to the gods. This lack of evidence is seized upon by those seeking to exploit gaps in scientific knowledge into which to insert their particular religious beliefs.]]

Thank you for exposing your ignorance of ID- No evidence for Design? Either you are woefully behind the times and haven’t heard, or you are feigning ignorance and repeating mantra in the hopes that if said enough times, some peopel will be duped into the nonsensicle ideology you hold.- there is plenty of evidnece for design, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest- highly suggest that an intelligence caused it- what IS pure religion is to ignore the obvious, and to declare that time and radom mistakes in the genome coudl account for such complexities- beating out overwhelming odds- no- make that overwhelming impossbililities, trillions of times, and htinking that, despite a complete lack of evidence, that somehow, by gosh by golly, billions of species developped from a single cell long long ago. What is religion, is ignoring hte fact that there is a complete lack of evidnece both in biology and in fossil records showing transitions- mistakes, monsters and mangled morphs- but what IS seen are completely functional highly complex species, and thinking that evolution just happened anyways- What is ALSO religion is thinking that schools and insitutitions MUST adhere only to the naturalistic causation, and that proposing a FAR FAR better and more feasible alternative with far far more evidence to back it up, isn’t scientific.

No evidence for design Coyote? You better hone up on your arguments- Design is evident all over hte place, and no amoutn of time + mutations could EVER beat the impossibilities presented them and have created such design complexities- I’d venture a guess that you’d be the one standing over hte billions of Crossbows I spoke of earlier, and eeclare that there was no intelligence present in the design and that nature ‘could have done it- constructed them from natural materials if given enough time’ because that is what you are doing standing over hte billions of design elements in biology and declaring that naturedidit. Who’s peddling religion and apologetics again?


199 posted on 12/03/2007 11:42:58 PM PST by CottShop
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