[robertpaulsen]

Since you refuse to tell me, let me guess. This "pre-existing right" you keep referencing -- are you referring to an individual right to self defense with a weapon? And that this pre-existing right to self defense with a weapon is protected by the second amendment?

And as proof, you offer up the 1790 State of Pennsylvania Constitution which has similar wording? Did I get that right?

[William Tell]

robertpaulsen said: This "pre-existing right" you keep referencing -- are you referring to an individual right to self defense with a weapon? And that this pre-existing right to self defense with a weapon is protected by the second amendment?

Do you or do you not agree that the Second Amendment refers to a pre-existing right to keep and bear arms?

Do you or do you not agree that the Pennsylvania Constitution refer to a pre-existing right to keep and bear arms?

Or do you claim that these two documents created the rights to which they refer?

If you agree that there is a pre-existing right, then please tell us how you know that it does not include self-defense?

I showed how the US Constitution and the Pennsylvania Constitution, authored almost simultaneously, both refer to this right? How do you justify believing that the pre-existing right in the US Constitution is different from the pre-existing right referenced in the Pennsylvania Constitution?