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To: EternalVigilance

The Fifth Restricts the Federal Government. The 14th specifically applies only to “persons born or naturalized in the United States” it says nothing about the unborn.

Even so, if it didn’t make it a crime to kill the President how do you assert it makes it a crime to kill an unborn baby?


113 posted on 11/18/2007 1:51:32 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
A) It is a crime to kill an innocent person in every single state. As it must be, under a republican form of government, modeled after our national republican form of government, based on the principles spelled out in our founding documents, and according to our national creed, as expounded in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."

B) The Fifth Amendment protects the rights of all Americans, or would if not for folks like yourself. Like many today, you don't understand the difference between enumerated powers granted to the national government by our Constitution, and enumerated and unenumerated rights granted by the Creator God, either spelled out, or not, ala the Ninth Amendment, in our Constitution.

C) You misstate what the Fourteenth Amendment says:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

All citizens are persons. Not all persons are citizens. No state can deprive any person of their life without trial and conviction on a capital offense.

120 posted on 11/18/2007 2:02:14 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: SUSSA
it says nothing about the unborn.

By the way, the only way you can believe that is if you agree with the author of the Roe vs. Wade decision, Justice Blackman, that unborn babies are not persons.

122 posted on 11/18/2007 2:08:08 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: SUSSA

No, the 14th defines citizenship citizenship - which is where it talks about being born in the United States. Then it goes on to grant rights to persons. Persons is a broader catagory then citizens and Roe v. Wade was the first time that a human being was determined to not be a person.


172 posted on 11/18/2007 4:08:19 PM PST by dschapin
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