Posted on 11/17/2007 6:27:48 PM PST by Nathan_Hale76
Mitt Romney called attempts to undermine him by questioning his Mormon faith "un-American" as he spoke to reporters in Nevada yesterday. Romney was specifically responding to reported "push-poll" phone calls being made in Iowa and New Hampshire, in which the calls reportedly begin as opinion polls but turn into statements and questions designed to highlight and cast doubt on Romney's Mormon faith. Here is what Romney had to say.....(Video)
(Excerpt) Read more at rightviewsusa.com ...
I disagree. The point of the push poll was to describe Romney as a man who belonged to a faith that rejected the Bible as something inferior. That is false, false, false and needs to be challenged.
He will appear in both locations at different times.
You gave to find one first.
Romney is absolutely right in this remark.
Republican party is a big tent and open to different beliefs as long as they dont challenge western civilisation and America(as Islam does).
There are certain ultra right kooks who want the GOP to nothing more than a theocratic party pandering to a certain view point, such a trend is to be resisted.
Nixon was a Quaker...did anyone question that? Lincoln was an agnostic...anyone have a problem with that? Romney isn’t insinuating that we shouldn’t have an interest in a candidates religious beliefs, he’s insinuating that it’s un-American to be PERSECUTED for your religious beliefs, hence his constantly having to explain that he believes in Christ and therefore is Christian. Fred Thompson’s is ‘The Church of Christ’. Sounds pretty ‘generic’ to me.
“The point of the push poll “
That was only one of the purposes of that push poll that I hope gets tracked down. I don’t like that kind of BS, an upfront ad fine, but not this sneaky anonymous stuff.
“He has shown fear.”
You’re an imbecile.
The Holy Trinity: Biblical Proofs http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2005/09/holy-trinity-biblical-proofs.html
And here's the table of contents ...
C O N T E N T S
I. FORTY DESCRIPTIONS APPLIED BOTH TO GOD/YHWH AND JESUS
II. GOD/YHWH, THE MESSIAH, AND JESUS: PARALLEL PASSAGES
III. THE UNITY OF GOD AND MONOTHEISM
IV. THE HOLY SPIRIT AND/OR TRINITARIANISM
V. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON: FORTY PERSONAL ATTRIBUTES
VI. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD: DIRECT BIBLICAL EVIDENCE
VII. 13 DESCRIPTIONS APPLIED TO ALL THREE IN THE TRINITY
VIII. GOD'S APPEARANCES AS A MAN IN THE O.T. (THEOPHANIES)
IX. JESUS IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE FATHER
X. A DEFINITION OF THE TRINITY: THE ATHANASIAN CREED
And here is section VII
VII. 13 DESCRIPTIONS APPLIED TO ALL THREE IN THE TRINITY
{ * = God the Father / <> = The Holy Spirit / + = Jesus }
1) Who Indwells Believers?
*JOHN 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
*1 CORINTHIANS 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and {that} the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which {temple} ye are.
*2 CORINTHIANS 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in {them}; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. {cf. Ex 29:45, Jer 31:33, Ezek 37:27}
*1 JOHN 4:12-16 . . . If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. (13) Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. (14) And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son {to be} the Saviour of the world. (15) Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. (16) And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
<>JOHN 14:16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (17) {Even} the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. {cf. Jn 14:18 below}
<>ROMANS 8:9,11 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his . . . (11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. {cf. Rom 8:10 below}
<>1 CORINTHIANS 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
<>1 CORINTHIANS 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost {which is} in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? {cf. to 1 Cor 3:16}
<>GALATIANS 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
<>1 JOHN 3:24 . . . And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
<>1 JOHN 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. {cf. Neh 9:20, Jn 14:26, 15:26, 16:7-8,13-15, Rom 8:14, 2 Cor 13:14}
+JOHN 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. {cf. Jn 14:16-17 above}
+JOHN 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I {am} in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
+JOHN 14:23 . . . If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
+JOHN 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
+JOHN 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; . . .
+ROMANS 8:10 And if Christ {be} in you, the body {is} dead because of sin; but the Spirit {is} life because of righteousness. {cf. Rom 8:9 above}
+1 JOHN 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him . . .
2) Who Raised Jesus From the Dead?
*GALATIANS 1:1 . . . God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) {cf. 1 Thess 1:10}
<>ROMANS 8:11 . . . the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, . . .
+JOHN 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
+JOHN 10:17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. (18) No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
3) Who Searches Minds and Hearts?
*JEREMIAH 17:10 I the Lord search the heart, {I} try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, {and} according to the fruit of his doings.
<>1 CORINTHIANS 2:10 But God hath revealed {them} unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
+REVELATION 2:23 . . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
4) Who Sanctifies Us?
*1 THESSALONIANS 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; . . .
<>1 PETER 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the spirit, . . .
+HEBREWS 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
5) Who Gives Us Words to Speak?
*MATTHEW 10:19-20 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. (20) For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
<>MARK 13:11 But when they shall lead {you}, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. {cf. Lk 12:11-12, Jn 14:26}
+LUKE 21:14-15 Settle {it} therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: (15) For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
6) Who Gave the New Covenant?
*JEREMIAH 31:33-34 But this {shall be} the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
<>HEBREWS 10:15-17 {Whereof} the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, (16) This {is} the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
+HEBREWS 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, . . . {cf. 8:1-13, 10:29, 13:20}
7) Who is the Creator?
*Gen 1:1, Is 44:24, Acts 17:24, Eph 3:9 / <>Job 33:4 / +Jn 1:3, Col 1:16, Heb 1:8,10
8) Who is Our Helper?
*Heb 13:6 / <>Rom 8:26 / +Heb 4:16
9) Who Are We Baptized in the Name of?
* <> + Mt 28:19
10) Who Comforts Us?
*2 Cor 1:3-4 / <>Acts 9:31 / +2 Cor 1:5 {cf. Jn 16:7}
11) Who Gives us Peace?
*Phil 4:7, 1 Cor 14:33 / <>Gal 5:22 / +Jn 14:27, Eph 2:14
12) Who Sends Out Christians?
*Mt 9:38 / <>Acts 13:4 / +Mt 10:16, Mar 3:14, Jn 20:21
13) Who Calls Christians to Ministry?
*Rom 8:28-30, Gal 1:15 / <>Acts 13:2 / +Rom 1:6
Thanks, Diamond, for this link!
“He will appear in both locations at different times”
I have heard it firmly stated that he would arrive in Missouri, or that he would arrive in the Middle East, this is the first time that I have heard the non committal answer.
Formally, I have heard that the church itself says that he will first show in Missouri, is that correct?
Do not forget that a sleazy politician with a religion problem could easily generate a push poll he then can exploit to try and manipulate voters ... it’s the revulsion factor played large depending upon being able to manipulate people into backlash ... and in our overly secularized culture it isn’t hard to do!
“In fact, pastors at my church have called it a cult.”
How intolerant. I went to Catholic school for 12 years (1-12) and had many discussions and debates about different religions during that time. Not once was there a reference or statement from the priests or teachers that Mormonism was a cult. Cult = a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture considers outside the mainstream. I guess that pretty much describes Catholics, jews, quakers, Methodists, Seventh Day Adventists, Calvinists..well, you get my drift.
“Do not forget that a sleazy politician with a religion problem could easily generate a push poll he then can exploit to try and manipulate voters ..”
We all know that, but we don’t know squat at this moment.
Something happened, we have no idea who did it, we shouldn’t spend any time trying to figure out stuff we can’t know yet.
This is one of those sneaky political things, at this point everyone is under suspicion and speculation is a waste of time.
There are only seven people in the country who do not have Cherokee bloodlines.
“Not once was there a reference or statement from the priests or teachers that Mormonism was a cult”
Typically meaningless, now give us the official Catholic position on the Mormon church.
“There are only seven people in the country who do not have Cherokee bloodlines.”
The DNA testing is available now.
I can hardly begin to count the ways in which that statement is absurd. So I'll just toss out one. More than seven people arrived from Norway yesterday. Unless they were members of the little-known Oslo band of the Cherokee Nation, that pretty much knocks the bottom out of your claim.
That list gave me flashbacks. Post-traumatic scripture disorder.
Thus sayeth MMnk 1927350:118.
It’s a standing joke in Indian Country. Ask any paleface if they have Indian lineage and 9 of 10 will claim Cherokee heritage. Those Cherokee must have had 12 inch coup sticks.
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