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US has no option in a Pakistan nuclear “nightmare”
Agence France-Presse (AFP) ^ | 14 November 2007

Posted on 11/13/2007 9:36:43 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

US has no option in a Pakistan nuclear “nightmare” (AFP)

14 November 2007

WASHINGTON - The US armed forces are virtually powerless to prevent Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal from falling into Islamist hands if the political crisis in Islamabad spins out of control, analysts warned.

Instead, they said, Washington can do little but help to resolve the crisis and preserve its strong ties with Pakistan’s pro-Western military elite, whether or not General Pervez Musharraf stays in power.

“There’s no good military option at all,” Daniel Markey, a former US government policy planner for South Asia, told AFP on Tuesday in Washington.

It would be an “incredibly ugly scenario,” he said, for US forces to try to find and secure the nuclear sites in the event of an Islamist takeover because they lack the intelligence needed to do so in such a large country.

“Having some certainty of finding them is just, I think, out of the realm of reality,” said Markey, a former State Department official who is now at the Council on Foreign Relations, a think tank.

Averting such a “nightmare scenario,” he added, “means having a good working relationship” with the army, as has been the case for years.

“We shouldn’t kid ourselves that we can work with Pakistan without working with their army and that doesn’t mean we have to back a dictator.”

If the US government decides to drop Musharraf, he warned, it will have to be careful to avoid burning ties with the institution he heads. “That’s the difficult balancing act.”

Musharraf’s deputy in the army, General Ashfaq Kiyani, would be his obvious successor but the analyst said it is not certain that such a transition would go smoothly, even though he has reasonably good ties with Washington.

Musharraf, who seized power in a 1999 bloodless coup and who became a frontline US ally in the war on terrorism after the September 11, 2001 attacks, insists there is nothing to worry about.

In an interview Tuesday with Fox News radio, Musharraf said Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are under “total custodial controls,” citing security measures in place since 2000.

“We created a strategic planning division and we have a national command authority which is overall organization institution into development and employment of strategic assets,” he said.

Pakistan has amassed an estimated 50 nuclear weapons since detonating its first atomic devices in May 1998.

Leonard Spector, deputy director of the James Martin Center for Non-Proliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies in California, doubted there was much of a military option.

“The idea that somehow we’re going to step in, I think that’s a very remote possibility,” Spector said from his office in Washington.

And for now, he said, the US government is probably seeking reassurance from Musharraf that his chain of command is in order or that it endures if there is an orderly transfer of power.

“Only if there’s a complete breakdown in society, would there be an issue. Even then, I think you’ll find a cadre, a very loyal military who protect the assets because it’s the patrimony of the country,” he said.

Andrew Koch, a defense and security analyst with the consulting firm Scribe Strategies and Advisors, said Pakistan’s atomic weapons are for now in the hards of a “very professional, pro-Western elite” operating a secure network.

The Taliban and Al-Qaeda, which are making inroads in northwestern Pakistan, would have trouble seizing materiel in a raid because the fissile weapons cores are held separate from the weapons, he said.

“You’d have to knock down two facilities to get both parts,” he added.

The military personnel involved in the nuclear program are also closely vetted for sympathies with the Islamists, he added.

However, he said some scientists associated with the nuclear program are suspected of harboring extremist sentiments and could leak secrets to terrorists or anti-Western regimes, even if they do not smuggle out weapons.

Such a risk would increase the longer political instability lasts, he said.

The reputation of Pakistan, the world’s only known nuclear-armed Muslim country, has been tarnished with the sale of atomic secrets on a global black market headed by its disgraced chief nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan.

Khan confessed in 2004 to passing atomic secrets to Iran, Libya and North Korea. He was pardoned by Musharraf but remains under virtual house arrest in Islamabad.

In the longer term, Koch feared that Pakistan’s professional military class could be compromised if the country becomes increasingly pro-Taliban and anti-Western.

In the ultimate “doomsday” or “nightmare” scenario, he feared that the Pakistani military would see its loyalities split if the government falls and Islamists and other factions struggle to fill the void.

He said “there’s always the ultimate option of trying some sort of raid to snatch the weapons” but this would be difficult because ”we don’t have absolute certainty we know where all of Pakistan’s weapons are kept.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ignoranceissocool; musharraf; nuclear; pakistan
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Yeah but we have 14 Ohio class subs with 24 Tridents each, for a total of 288 missiles with 1152 warheads total.


22 posted on 11/13/2007 10:39:35 PM PST by LukeL
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To: samtheman
"He says Musharef is our friend and Butto is a fraud"

I totally agree. Musharraf and the Pakistani military needs to keep control there at all costs. If Pakistan, and its nuclear arsenal falls into the Islamists hands, all hell will break loose.

23 posted on 11/13/2007 10:44:27 PM PST by KoRn
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To: LukeL
All I can say is : FUBAR

The GIs would say this during WWII and it meant:

FUC&*@ up beyond all recognition.

With this situation in Pakistan getting out of hand, and the Democrats screwing things up with Turkey, I tell ya, it's a powder keg for a recipe of worse things to come.
24 posted on 11/13/2007 10:45:48 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; sheik yerbouty

My understanding is that we (The US) hold the codes to launch Pak nukes, they can’t do it alone.


25 posted on 11/13/2007 10:47:47 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: river rat

If the Islamists ever reach that position,which they most probably will-they will have control of N-armed “Nation-STATES”-the Islamists in Pakistan are spread across the countries & have significant sectarian/ethnic differences.Don’t expect them to bid for a united Pakistan.


27 posted on 11/13/2007 10:51:08 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: samtheman
I am sure President Bush is supporting Musharef unofficially and off the record ( back door diplomacy ) however ?
The Democrats and MSM are not making things easy for us with their endorsement of the fraud ABOTO or whatever her name is and the possible political overthrow of Musharef with Islamic radicals who could get hold of those nukes.
With the way the Democrats screwed things up for us with Turkey, I have a feeling the Democrats want this to happen in Pakistan,,,,, in their hatred of President Bush and to seize more power in next year election.
28 posted on 11/13/2007 10:53:21 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: KoRn; samtheman

Pakistan is in the mess that it is & is heading for untold catastrophe because of the Pakistani army’s ways.The P-A has always acted to maintain it’s own vested interests-if that mean’t creating the Taliban,then ditching it & then supporting it-So be it.The P-A’s stranglehold on power ensured that Pakistan imploded once before in 1971-into 2 pieces.Their actions now will ensure it will do so again-into several more pieces-with all wanting a nuke or 2 from the treasury.


29 posted on 11/13/2007 10:54:04 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: kingspoint_83

From whom did Pak buy her Nukes? Do you know?


30 posted on 11/13/2007 10:54:07 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks again President Clinton for letting Pakistan get nukes on your watch. That was almost as helpful as Jimmy Carter letting the mullahs take over Iran.


32 posted on 11/13/2007 10:54:28 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: river rat
Other than Iran possibly getting Nukes, Pakistan was only the other Nation of Islamic radicals who has nukes ?
And now ? soon ? we could possibly have 2 radical Islamic nations possessing nukes ? not good, not good at all.
33 posted on 11/13/2007 10:55:39 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: samtheman

Musharraf is anyone’s friend as long as it suits the Pakistani army.He is friends with the US,China,Saudi Arabia,North Korea,Britain & terrorists-all at once,irrespective of what Michael Savage says.


34 posted on 11/13/2007 10:55:45 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: txflake

From the People’s Republic of China-which still remains Pakistan’s guardian angel.Which will also ensure that India & the US can’t be upto much mischief.


36 posted on 11/13/2007 10:56:53 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: edsheppa

Pakistan got nukes before 1990 & Clinton was not president then-

Monday, October 29, 2007

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C10%5C29%5Cstory_29-10-2007_pg1_4

‘India, Israel planned to hit Kahuta in 1980s’

LAHORE: India and Israel had secretly planned to hit Pakistan’s nuclear facility in Kahuta in 1983-84, but backed off when the CIA tipped off then president General Ziaul Haq.

According to APP, The Asian Age reported this in a report published on Sunday. The report states that a new book, “Deception: Pakistan, the United States and the Global Nuclear Conspiracy” by Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark, reveals details about India’s secret intelligence links with Israel. It claims that Indian military officials secretly travelled to Israel in February 1983 to buy electronic warfare equipment to neutralise Kahuta’s air defences.

According to the book, India put its plans on hold when the chairman of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission warned the director of the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre that Islamabad would attack Mumbai if Kahuta were attacked.

It states that at this juncture, Israel suggested that it would attack Kahuta from Indian bases, adding that former premier Indira Gandhi signed off on the Israeli-led operation in March 1984. However, India and Israel backed off after the US state department warned India “the US will be responsive if India persists”.

The book also claims that Pakistan was preparing to use nuclear missiles against India during the Kargil war, citing a conversation between former US president Bill Clinton and former premier Nawaz Sharif from 1999.

According to a report released on the Times of India website, the book states that Sharif was unable to inform Clinton of his military’s moves. The president then warned Sharif that he would release a statement pinning all blame for Kargil on Pakistan if Sharif refused to pull his forces back. agencies


38 posted on 11/13/2007 10:59:19 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: txflake
" My understanding is that we (The US) hold the codes to launch Pak nukes, they can’t do it alone. "
I wouldn't put it passed the Chicoms in stealing those codes from us and sell it to the highest bidder.
39 posted on 11/13/2007 10:59:35 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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