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According to Polls, Fred Thompson Foundering
Wash Post ^ | 11/13/07 | Chris Cillizza

Posted on 11/13/2007 11:13:48 AM PST by pissant

The American electorate is a fickle mistress. Just ask former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.).

When Thompson announced his candidacy for president just after Labor Day most national polls showed him running a close second behind former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and the majority of state polls had him in the top three.

No longer. Thompson's campaign has yet to take off as expected and voters -- especially in crucial early states like Iowa, New Hampshire and Florida.

The most recent data comes from New Hampshire where two surveys were released over the weekend. The first, conducted by theUniversity of New Hampshire for the Boston Globe, put Thompson in sixth (yes, SIXTH) place with just three percent of the vote. (Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney led the way with 32 percent.) In a Marist University poll Thompson again took sixth place with just five percent support. To be clear, Thompson was never a frontrunner in New Hampshire but polls conducted in the run-up to his announcement and just after he formally entered the race show him regularly polling in double digits.

Thompson's shrinking support is apparent in other early states as well. The last three polls taken in Iowa put Thompson in fourth, fifth and fourth place, respectively, and his high water mark in any of those surveys is 11 percent. In Florida, too, Thompson appears to be fading. A new poll conducted for the Miami Herald and St. Petersburg Times showed Thompson in fifth place (eight percent) behind Giuliani (36 percent), Romney (19 percent), Arizona Sen. John McCain (12 percent) and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (nine percent).

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008polls; axisofdesperation; chriscillizza; elections; flounder; fred; fredthompson; halibut; pissanthropy; postcardfromoblivion; thinningtheherd
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To: Petronski

That’s a huge gigantic rationalization of the conflation and misdirection you’ve attempted on Free Republic all week.
***You just posted that the stuff from Intrade IS DATA. Call me on it all you want. I think the Intrade results are fascinating and people are starting to notice. Thanks.

Meanwhile,Do you personally believe Fred Thompson is not a Christian?
***Answered already, not biting at the bait.


361 posted on 11/13/2007 3:41:38 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Petronski

That’s not an order, it’s good advice to the honest.
***Then state it as advice. And answer my questions. You make such a big deal out of one statement, and you don’t answer my stuff. Take your own advice to be honest.


362 posted on 11/13/2007 3:43:02 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Petronski

Hunter Duncan will not get the GOP nomination in 2008.
***I guess we’ll just buy our crystal balls from you from now on, since you know the future.

Meanwhile: Is that your opinion? Fred is not a Christian?
***Already answered, not going to bite. Look at the context of what I wrote and the point I was making.


363 posted on 11/13/2007 3:44:39 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: ari-freedom

ah so what you are saying is, don’t support fred because of polls, support the one you think is the best conservative.
***As much as we can. That’s part of what the primaries are for, to ferret out good men who would otherwise not have a chance at the process due to all the kingmakers and money men.


364 posted on 11/13/2007 3:46:13 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

he’s against free trade with columbia and other countries in latin america we need to support vs FARC and Hugo Chavez


365 posted on 11/13/2007 3:46:41 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Petronski

If you feel powerful enough to denounce another man’s faith, another man’s Christianity, without every having met him (have you met Fred Thompson and discussed his faith with him?), I have no use for you.
***Oh, good for you. Because that’s not what I did.

The way I was raised, I focus on pulling the beam from my own eye rather than reading press clippings and saying with Body Snatcher finger pointed “NOT A CHRISTIAN! NOT A CHRISTIAN!”
***Read through the context. You have a hot button on the word Christian. Think of it as an endorsement from some bigwig unicorn admirers and Fred the candidate didn’t get that endorsement and I was pointing out that it’s probably because the bigwig unicorn admirers didn’t think that he liked unicorns.


366 posted on 11/13/2007 3:48:44 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Petronski

Who is Sally?
***I thought your first name was Sally, from some previous thread. Sorry if I got that wrong.


367 posted on 11/13/2007 3:49:58 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo
Already answered, not going to bite.

Contradictory statements. What is YOUR ANSWER?

Why is it so hard about this? Just say "I have no idea if he's a Christian" or "of course he is" or "no he's not" or your own answer.

Suddenly the opponents of Fred refuse to state their own beliefs. It's all very strange and shameful.

368 posted on 11/13/2007 3:50:07 PM PST by Petronski (Congratulations C.C. Sabathia - A.L. Cy Young 2007)
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To: Petronski

What are you talking about?


369 posted on 11/13/2007 3:50:26 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Petronski

Is Fred Thompson a Christian, in your opinion?
***Already answered. Not biting today.


370 posted on 11/13/2007 3:51:05 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

Right.


371 posted on 11/13/2007 3:52:56 PM PST by Petronski (Congratulations C.C. Sabathia - A.L. Cy Young 2007)
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To: ari-freedom

he’s against free trade with columbia and other countries in latin america we need to support vs FARC and Hugo Chavez
***That doesn’t register all that high on my care-o-meter. For me, the Columbia issues are all overshadowed by drugs and druglords and how it funds the WOT.


372 posted on 11/13/2007 3:53:01 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

I want to see a real debate between Fred and Hunter. Nobody can say anymore that fred has the most charisma. He has to win on the issues and ideas.


373 posted on 11/13/2007 3:53:01 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Petronski; Kevmo

You can think of the price as a pile of gold or a cowflop too.

Doesn’t make it shine or stink.


374 posted on 11/13/2007 3:53:11 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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To: Kevmo

Toss the grenade, blame the other guy...

Got it...

There was no reason to even mention what you did, and your delayed response tells me a lot.


375 posted on 11/13/2007 3:54:08 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: Kevmo
The context of your original quote about Fred's Christianity is not clear. Are you talking about Dobson's quoted words about Fred, or your own beliefs?

"Already answered, not going to bite" is two answers. Either you have an answer or not.

376 posted on 11/13/2007 3:55:05 PM PST by Petronski (Congratulations C.C. Sabathia - A.L. Cy Young 2007)
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To: Petronski

Contradictory statements. What is YOUR ANSWER?
***I already answered.

Why is it so hard about this? Just say “I have no idea if he’s a Christian” or “of course he is” or “no he’s not” or your own answer.
***You just want to fight. You think I said something that you want to go after, and when I view the context of what I said it was not that controversial.

Suddenly the opponents of Fred refuse to state their own beliefs. It’s all very strange and shameful.
***I am not an opponent of Fred. I will vote for him if he gets nominated. However, I will not support him, I’m supporting Duncan Hunter, the best conservative in the race. Nothing strange nor shameful about it.


377 posted on 11/13/2007 3:55:36 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo
I already answered.

So I missed it, Betty. Repeat it for me.

378 posted on 11/13/2007 3:56:35 PM PST by Petronski (Congratulations C.C. Sabathia - A.L. Cy Young 2007)
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To: Petronski

Right.
***Right, as in Sally IS your first name, or Right, as in “yeah right” with sarcasm tag, or Right-something-else?


379 posted on 11/13/2007 3:57:19 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

Already answered, Betty.


380 posted on 11/13/2007 3:57:49 PM PST by Petronski (Congratulations C.C. Sabathia - A.L. Cy Young 2007)
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