[massgopguy]

Holy Orders don’t need the Pope’s command. They are a Sacrament and therefore Infallible.

[Verginius Rufus]

For a real ordination you need a lawfully consecrated bishop, which was lacking in this case, and even a real bishop can’t ordain ineligible persons, such as an unbaptized adult male, or a 4-year-old boy even if he has been baptized...or a baptized woman.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Holy Orders don’t need the Pope’s command. They are a Sacrament and therefore Infallible."

Trouble is, the attempted ordination of women is not Holy Orders, any more than the attempted consecration of beer & pizza is the Holy Eucharist. No sacrament.

A valid Sacrament requires four things:

• valid matter
• valid form
• valid minister
• valid intention

Even if they said the correct words (valid form) and they sincerely believed they would become priests (valid intention), they lacked a valid minister (an actual, sho-nuff bishop in communion with the other bishops of the Church) and valid matter (a male ordinand.)

Not even close. And no cigar.

[Juana la Loca]

No, you don’t need the pope’s command or permission to perform a sacrament. However, for a sacrament to be valid it must follow the form and matter as defined by the Church. As these ceremonies do not meet the the necessary criteria as contained in the infallible Deposit of Faith, they are not sacraments.