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To: ctdonath2

If a state doesnt have a “right”...explain why the tenth amendment is included in the “bill of rights” and why they didnt call it the “bill of powers”...

If your going to be semantic then please clarify it..

The 2nd clearly addresses both “state” and “people” separately...

IIRC...only the tenth does as well...

If “powers” apply only to states..and “rights” apply only to people...why does the tenth state:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Is the tenth article on the bill of rights somehow NOT a right?

Why include the word “state” at all in a bill of “rights” if no rights are being enmumerated...


603 posted on 11/10/2007 12:46:29 PM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Crim
If a state doesnt have a “right”...explain why the tenth amendment is included in the “bill of rights” and why they didnt call it the “bill of powers”...

The 10th doens't really belong in the bill of rights, but then again the Bill of Rights is a handle we use for the first ten amendments, which were passed as a body by Congress. Congress also passed two other amendments, one of which never was ratified, and the other which was ratified in 1992. Those two would have been the first and second amendments, had they been ratified at the time. They didn't concern individual rights either.

The 10th amendment reads:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

651 posted on 11/10/2007 5:18:58 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Crim

The 10th is a catch-all, making it absolutely clear that if a power/right/whatchamacallit isn’t delegated to the federal government in the Constitution, the federal government doesn’t have that power/right/whatchamacallit.

The Constitution is not absolute perfection. There is, as with any human-written document, a certain degree of “reasonable people get the point without having huge arguments about alleged obtusities.”

And that’s all I’m going to go into on that point, as it seems you’re trying to take over for robertpaulsen in getting argumentative over something that most people understand, and is sufficiently clear for the issue at hand, without getting into fierce arguments over tangents.


672 posted on 11/10/2007 8:23:01 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Crim

ok, I’ll bite:

the 10th only delegates to states “powers not delegated” to the Feds....in the words of the 10th....NO Rights are mentioned. dunno why mincing of nuance here. Nuance rights are reserved for JFnK (please don’t think I’m trying to hijack thread by using that 4 letter word, no response is required whether you love’m or hate’m)
just saying!


690 posted on 11/11/2007 7:44:16 AM PST by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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