Posted on 11/09/2007 3:17:09 AM PST by cbkaty
Later than that, I think. Miller didn't say anything about a collective right.
US v Adams was the first federal district court case to find a collective right and US v Tott the first appeals court case, both from the mid 1930’s.
I think that yours and Blood of Tyrants’ sentiments are just plain wrong. Even if the court did decide that the second amendment means what it says, do you think the Schumers and Bradys of the world would somehow find reason and stop what they are doing? I don’t. They’re weasels and if the Supreme Court issued a ruling against assault weapons bans and handgun bans, they’d pass another law in a state like California and try to get a district friendly to them to impose it on the rest of us.
If you really think that the National Rifle Association is just out to fleece people, ask Larry Pratt and Aaron Zelman if they agree with you. Both of them think that NRA is the big gorilla, no matter how much they might disagree with NRA’s stand on some issues. And to suggest that NRA doesn’t do anything is to deny the RTC and Stand Your Ground revolution in this country. NRA was the biggest supporter of that. What they accomplished was a near miracle.
There’s more to the M4 than just being a short-barreled M16 - enough that the military gave it a different designation.
More relevantly, can a militia member buy a new machinegun in CA?
Thanks. I always learn something new here.
In response to your tagline, I cite the motto New Hampshire has on their auto license plates... Live Free or Die.
The essence of RP’s premise was that the 2nd Amendment only restrained the feds, and protected active members of militias. Unfortunately, he refused to accept the logical straightforward consequences of his premise.
I’m surprised he lasted so long.
On one hand, he proved an interesting stone to hone my arguments on.
On the other hand, he was ... well, his posts had to be responded to lest the more gullible be persuaded (and I saw that happen a few times).
How he ever managed to spend SO MUCH TIME promoting a single narrow (and widely refuted) viewpoint is beyond me. I don’t think he’ll know what to do with himself now.
As the outgroups were redefined into citizenry he Constitution came to cover all.
Well, I hope the changes were an improvement. My brother trained on the M1A and was given an M16 in Vietnam. His line was, “The ‘M’ stands for Mattel.” I know there have been a ton of improvements since then but it still fires an anemic round. Until that changes it will always be a ‘mouse-gun.’
That, too. The 2nd, though, needs no cross-reference to any other part of the Constitution. Unlike the other amendments in the BOR it is plainly absolute on its face.
Had he managed to do so politely, he probably would have continued. Unfortunately for him, when pressed into a corner (usually when thread posts got to the high 300s) he tended to get verbally abusive. He had two posts pulled this thread, which was unusual; I saw the first, and it got kinda nasty (to you!); presumably the second was similar and went too far.
I presume being an obtuse one-note troll got him close to the line, and the personal attacks (long history of them being just barely tolerable) pushed him over.
Hate to say I’m happy he’s gone, but he did work awfully hard (I mean thousands of posts) to get zotted.
Nicely put.
It has to be something in unquestionably common modern US military use. The Army orders an awful lot of M4s, as distinct from M16s.
Cry to the management... you can reply directly on this post...
Here is what he will tell you:
To: Jean SRudy is a wife cheating family wrecking liar. A Planned Parenthood abortionist liar. A cross-dressing gay rights activist liar. A constitution trampling gun grabbing liar. A rule of law ignoring sanctuary city making liar. A draft dodging cowardly liar. A goon squad Kerik hiring corrupt liar.
8 posted on 11/09/2007 4:28:05 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
I agree with the management! Giuliani sucks!
Kinda hard to when they unexpectedly show up in unrelated threads, and I have to page down several times to get past screenfulls of brightly colored stuff.
Trust me, it's not like I was deliberately putting myself at risk for seeing them. Save one or two oblique references, this thread has nothing to do with Rudy.
C'mon, when someone politely asks to refrain from visually loud and unrelated behavior, take a moment to consider what might be prompting them to do so. (And I dislike Rudy as much as you do.)
It has everything to do with him/her/it... My Constitutional rights do not end at the New York city limits... It is running for my party's nomination. I don't want that creep appointing anyone to the SCOTUS.
And at least equally relevant, can he build one?
They might try to pass them, but once the Supreme Court has ruled on it, every court in the land now has guidance on how to rule on the 2nd Amendment.
BTW, the NRA sent a letter to the ‘Rat Congress letting them know that they would support MORE “common sense gun laws” and they are not working to repeal a single gun law anywhere in the whole country.
As for Bobby... he isn't stupid. He's just wrong and unwilling to consider that he is wrong. Whether by design or obtuseness is debatable. I'd say by design.
But who knows... maybe one day he'll wake from his delusion and realize that being on the side of history, facts, and logic has more rewards than pushing a losing propaganda position.
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