Posted on 11/09/2007 3:17:09 AM PST by cbkaty
Remember, we were talking about prior restraint? Have you tried to buy a firearm in California without a Basic Firearms Safety Certificate? Have you tried to buy a rifle or shotgun in Chicago without a Firearms Owners Identification Card?
Got a Basic Internet Safety Certificate for your Free Republic account?
It’s the segment of the phrase “well-regualted” that gives the other side the ability to litigate on the basis that means the National Guard, as 5000 guys just showing up with their guns would not be “well-regualted.”
Sad thing is by the time Americans wake up we will all be disarmed and incapable of rising up against the machine.
This is exactly what they want.
If “they” win, the country will be divided into gun and no-gun zones. If would be hard to travel from place to place.
But then, who would WANT to travel through a zone where only the bad guys have guns?
Liberal cities will go way down the dumper as the criminals take over totally. The gun people will soon move to smaller cities that allow guns or to states that allow them.
It will become two countries. And, of course, the people with guns will be expected to give money to the no-gun hell-holes to keep them afloat.
And, if they ever do manage to round up all the guns even from the bad guys, the bad guys will have plenty of other weapons to use. Will the average citizen be allowed to carry around a combat knife for protection? I doubt it.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_4_skid_row.html
“They” (activists and ACLU) just want to keep society off-balance and hope it will totally fall. Just like they did in that incredible story in City Journal magazine (linked above) about Skid Row in SF. That was amazing and made my blood boil. Acivists and ACLU. Recipe for disaster.
My point exactly!
The problem is that Militia means exactly what atleast 5 members of SCOTUS want it to mean.
Drat! What's the right answer, professor?
""Sacred is correct, but they werent 'won', they were given Graciously by Him, and cannot be retracted by 'them'...""
True, but I'll accept that what he said was close enough, for what good are rights if you have not carved out an environment to practice them?
Protecting the government’s power to decide who gets what arms under what conditions is hardly a protection of an uninfringed right of the people to keep and bear arms.
So long as you hold that I can’t have a new M4 even though I’m an able-bodied male citizen aged 17-45, unanimously declared by Congress to be a member of “the militia”, registered thereto under the Selective Service System, trained therefor under the DCM program, and living in a state with no restrictions on citizens owning machineguns, and being completely unaware of a single citizen of this nation who actually gets to enjoy the right protected by the 2nd Amendment per your interpretation, I must consider that your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment does, indeed render it null and void.
I know YOU were. And, as far as I know, prior restraint only applies to first amendment issues.
But hey! Don't let that stop you from trying to apply it to other amendments. It may work with other posters.
But not with me.
That the government fails to exercise its power to organize those 5000 guys, and that their state does not appoint officers and provide training, does not nullify the right that those guys have.
To flip that argument and still get the same conclusion:
The government organized those 5000 guys to the degree it saw fit by requiring them to register with the Selective Service System, and their state has deferred their training to optional/voluntary participation in the DCM/CMP program, making those 5000 guys showing up with their guns exactly as "well-regulated" as the various levels of government cumulatively see fit.
Just because you (generally speaking) don't agree with the government's (by practical exercise of delegated powers) determination of what constitutes "well-regulated" doesn't make it "not well-regulated". The government has the power to achieve "well-regulated"; if 5000 guys just showing up with guns is what Congress and your state deem sufficiently "well-regulated", then so be it.
edit “unanimously” to “unilaterally”.
Yes, I've read that. Also saw the program on TV about it. Was impressed. How ironic it would be if the end of the world was precipitated by a confrontation between gun owners and tyrants right here in the good ol' U.S. of A.
Geez. You'd think the gummin and tyrants would back down instead of throwing more gasoline on the fire if they knew what the ultimate consequences were going to be for trying to re-institute slavery.
So prior restraint against a fundamental right is okay with you?
True. But as I said, the second amendment was never meant to do that. State constitutions protect the individual right to keep and bear arms.
"unanimously declared by Congress to be a member of “the militia”
You may meet the qualifications to be in a well regulated state militia, but that's about it. Hey! I meet the qualifications to be President. So every time I post are you going to salute and hum Hail to the Chief?
Congress cannot infringe on your right to keep and bear your M4 as part of your state militia. If they did, your state could challenge that law in federal court as a violation of the second amendment.
Is that true, Robert? I'm surprised.
Hey, Michael! Haven’t heard from you in a while. How goes it?
I think you’re missing his point - he is already a member of the Militia of the United States, as am I. That fact is set forth under the provisions of 10 USC 311.
Further, the California state constitution does not, in fact, protect the individual right to keep and bear arms.
If it comes down to it, remember this: They can't live at gestapo HQ, or on firebases, or in bunkers, for the rest of their lives. In the end, they'll want to live normal civilian lives, go shopping at Walmart, golfing and fishing. And that would be pretty tough in a nation with millions of scoped deer rifles.
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