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Victor Davis Hanson: Oil Hydra - Is there an easy way out of the mess we've gotten ourselves into?
National Review Online ^ | November 08, 2007 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/08/2007 9:42:18 AM PST by neverdem

Edited on 11/08/2007 9:48:34 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: neverdem
Is there an easy way out of the mess we've gotten ourselves into?

No there isn't. Which isn't to say that the preseidential candidates on both parties won't latch on to what looks like an easy solution and run on it.

41 posted on 11/08/2007 10:39:27 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

D’Oh!


42 posted on 11/08/2007 10:41:04 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: MNJohnnie
Another step that will help, after the short-term pain, is to tax imported oil at $30/barrel in perpetuity.

Forever...

Don't even try to direct the "investment" of the revenue. Let congress waste it like most of the rest of the money we send them.

43 posted on 11/08/2007 10:43:54 AM PST by Mariner
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To: Jedidah
I have contended since 1974 that a so-called energy Manhattan Project was needed, and I haven’t changed my mind.

Honestly, I have thought the same thing for many years. The warning signs have been there all along the way. Now we are reaching critical mass and we wonder why we're in this predicament??? Conservation is nice, but there really shouldn't be much of a reason to not have a nice house or drive the car you want...if we had solved the energy issue. If we had, it probably wouldn't matter much what kind of vehicle you drove, or how big your house was.

44 posted on 11/08/2007 10:45:41 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: ClearCase_guy
There's no such thing as "energy independence" when you're dealing with global spot markets.

The fact that fossil fuels have an abundance of stored energy is what makes them such an attractive means of powering vehicles, generating electricity, etc. All this "alternative fuels" nonsense is a lot of -- well, NONSENSE.

45 posted on 11/08/2007 10:45:56 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: neverdem

Everybody knows what to do.


46 posted on 11/08/2007 10:46:55 AM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: MNJohnnie

Baloney.........We have seen the enemy ans it is us. VDH had it exactly correct when he said our politicians are asleep at the wheeel for over 20 years. I would say it has been that way for over 30 years, from the last oil shock of the 70’s. If we immediately push through drilling in ANWR, open up ALL coastal waters to exploration, and open more federal lands to oil and gas exploration we could soon have an impact on worldwide oil prices. Along with more exploration, we should also throw a few incentives to alternative energy options like wind, solar, geothermal. Place a 20% tax on all new domestic oil supplies in ANWR and use the money to fund alternatives. Nuclear power is booming everywhere in the world but the USA, and we invented it. 50-100 new nuclear plants should be in the planning stages now. Our politicians have utterly failed us and we may suffer the destruction of our very way of life as a result. Global Warming (if you are dumb enough to believe in it)will be the least of our problems if we can’t afford fuel to heat our homes in the winter.


47 posted on 11/08/2007 10:50:33 AM PST by milwguy
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To: Jedidah
Leaving something this critical to the marketplace is why we’ve wasted the past 30 years and now face crisis again.

Blaming the marketplace for oil problems is wrong. We have not employed market solutions in the past 30 years. In fact, we have done just the opposite. We have, through government fiat, restricted the domestic production and refining of oil. There is much less oil on the market today, than if pure market forces would have been allowed to dictate choices.

48 posted on 11/08/2007 10:52:19 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: neverdem
I am going to dissent from the apparently general FReeper sentiment on this thread. I am a big VDH fan but this article seems like complete nonsense to me, certainly not common sense! Here is the core statement of this piece:

(G)overnment...should have been doing a lot more to mandate conservation, subsidize alternate fuels, encourage nuclear power and open up oil fields offshore and in Alaska.

Instead, doctrinaire free-market purists and radical environmentalists, hand in glove, for years have thwarted both conservation and exploration.

True, in a perfect world, the market would teach Detroit not to build gas-hungry big cars. Yet in the here and now, we are needlessly burning scarce fuel as too many 7,000-pound mammoths deliver single 180-pound drivers to work — while the auto industry continues on its path to irrelevance.

VDH needs to make up his mind about capitalism and markets. Americans have chosen the vehicles they've chosen based on their preferences. Why is this a problem? Yes, oil is high now and will likely, by many estimates, stay high and go even higher. So what?

Why do alternative fuels need subsidies? If they can't compete today with $100/bbl oil we were certainly wise not to use them instead of $30/bbl oil a few years ago. And if they still can't compete today then why not wait for $150/bbl or $200/bbl oil? Certainly there will be some alternative fuels that can compete then, right? If not, just wait some more! The car companies will build whatever people buy, and people can read the little numbers on the gas pump for themselves. Americans don't need Uncle Victor telling them what to do.

I'm generally in favor of lifting regulatory restrictions and exploiting American energy resources wherever they are, but the rest of VDH's rhetoric sounds like socialism to me. Why does the government need to mandate conservation? Conservation that pays for itself mandates itself, and there are plenty of private companies out there who sell energy conservation expertise to business and individuals. What can government possibly add to this except inefficiency and corruption?

The fact that the Saudis misuse their oil profits is a complete red herring here. Whatever America does for fuel the Jihadis are going to have plenty of cash for their plots. We will need economic strength and political and social determination to thwart them. It is impossible for us to render their oil worthless through technical innovation unless we discover alternatives that compete against ~$10/bbl (or less) oil and that just isn't in the cards. The Saudis and other Arabs will have massive cash flow until their oil is gone. (Their oil is the world's cheapest to produce and someone will always buy it at a price up to the price of the next-cheapest alternative. That's just simple logic, folks, i.e. capitalism.) Better we should hasten the day their oil is gone while preserving our own economic, military and political strength.

My plan is simple: Drain Arabia first. Destroy all who threaten us. Continue to grow and strengthen and innovate. Be free and be grateful to God for our freedom. Party down!

Who's with me?

49 posted on 11/08/2007 11:01:55 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: ClearCase_guy
While I don't usually support large government programs...

That is always smart. Please don't stop being smart now.

50 posted on 11/08/2007 11:04:04 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: neverdem

“Victor Davis Hanson: Oil Hydra - Is there an easy way out of the mess we’ve gotten ourselves into? “

Yea, bring back the good old days when a government just went into another country, pillaged it and took the resources.

Use it or lose it. Screw trying to make a friggin “democracy” out of a bunch of tribal idiots...just take the oil.


51 posted on 11/08/2007 11:04:54 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: neverdem

This doesn’t really affect me directly. I live only 9 niles from work; my commuter gets 33 mpg and I do a significant amount of bike commuting.

But it effects the economy in which I live quite a bit.


52 posted on 11/08/2007 11:06:53 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: Jedidah
It’s shameful that we didn’t take the pain of 1974’s shortages, due to the Arab oil embargo, to heart and develop alternative energy sources over the past three decades.

We have taken that pain to heart and we have spent many billions of dollars over decades and developed many alternative energy sources. Those that can compete with $100/bbl oil have already been implemented, but for the most part we are still mostly buying $100/bbl oil. This should tell you something very important about those alternative energy sources. Does it?

53 posted on 11/08/2007 11:08:09 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: ClearCase_guy

“The Constitution allows the government to provide for the common defense.”

We’re talking about Bush here. You know...open borders / amnesty bush. The Constitution doesn’t concern him. He’s an oil guy, the more money the oil companies make...the better return he gets on his stocks.
He’s not going to cut his own purse strings.


54 posted on 11/08/2007 11:10:26 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: steel_resolve
This will not be over until the high energy prices have triggered a recession in our country. Only then will things like ANWAR and oil drilling off of Florida be on the table. Hopefully by that time, the recession causes the price of oil to crash through the floor.

It is my expectation that oil prices will never again be much below what they are now but rather will continue to climb, but that this is not a crisis and will not necessarily cause a recession. Is it impossible that I am right?

55 posted on 11/08/2007 11:10:50 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: ZULU

When you put OILMEN in the White House, you can kiss real oil conservation “Bye-Bye”.


56 posted on 11/08/2007 11:11:26 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Hawk1976
The ultimate answer has to be technology.

Of course it is. But VDH and others are promoting government intervention in the marketplace. This is not technology but economics/politics. Do you support this intervention or do you, like me, trust enterprising Americans to find needs and fill them at a profit?

57 posted on 11/08/2007 11:13:58 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: MD_Willington_1976
No there is no easy way out, it will take time and investment...

Is private investment not enough? Do we need government deciding where and how to invest?

58 posted on 11/08/2007 11:15:26 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

I trust American enterprise.

However we are looking at hump we will have to get over, and it is going to take a while to get there. Government may need to use some “see money” to start these projects. Plus the government needs to make adjustments to the law to aid accomadate those changes.


59 posted on 11/08/2007 11:17:55 AM PST by Hawk1976 (747 superliners crashed into the WTC on 9/11, Steny Hoyer told me so on 8/7/07.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
There’s one economic fallacy in the middle of the article:

I believe the article is riddled with economic fallacies and little else, but I agree with you about the one you have identified and explained well.

It is imperative that we stop the flow of cash to the Mad Mullahs, Islamo-Marxists, Political Fantasists, and spiritual/psychological infants in oil-rich regions. We are spending billions of dollars weekly, in order to provide the Baby with a Hammer.

The problem is that they receive money, not that they receive our money. As long as they have oil they will sell it to someone and use their profits to fund their evil plans. We cannot stop that flow of cash short of physically preventing them from selling oil to anyone or creating an alternative to oil so inexpensive that it no longer pays to pump Saudi oil out of the ground. I think that neither of these things can possibly happen and wasting money on subsidized windmills, etc, just makes everything worse for us across the board.

60 posted on 11/08/2007 11:24:07 AM PST by rogue yam
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