Posted on 11/04/2007 6:37:35 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
He actually isn’t pushing an “alternative”. The human life amendment is not an ALTERNATE step. We want to to everything Fred is saying, PLUS push the human life amendment because human life is precious.
I don’t forget there was a civil war, although at the start of the war we weren’t banning slavery, we were working on it, and had decided that all new states had to be free states.
Do you think we should NOT have pushed for a federal ban on slavery, but should have allowed each state to have slavery or not as they saw fit? That’s how it was before the war, but nobody today seems to think that was a good thing.
I’m saying that in the end, we will feel the same way about abortion. It should NOT be something decided on a state-by-state basis.
I don’t know you but I don’t think women are “forever doomed to be seen as nothing but tramps” by any sane person. Perhaps the Taliban, perhaps some who have serious problems. And I dont think a lot of people are degenerates.
Most people are struggling to get along and live life unimpeded by the police, loan sharks, terrorists, muggers and those who would impose their vision of what is moral on them. Be it smoking, carrying a gun, bearing a child, getting a divorce.
Your vision is that women are tramps. Not mine.
Those sound like well thought out answers, and I agree with every single one of them.
“Abortion won’t ever be banned.
A nation that kills its offspring has no hope for survival.
By definition.”
There are records of abortions being performed in China in 500 BC. China’s still around.
My hope is that Fred will eventually realize he’s making a mistake by dissing the HLA, and it will remain in the platform. He’ll agree that supporting it is our party’s long range goal. The pro-life vote is something he can’t do without.
That is a pat saying and I won’t risk tiring this thread down by asking you where you got your definition.
He will, if he is the Republican party nominee.
However, I will be working for Fred Thompson to be our candidate.
Your vision is that women are tramps. Not mine.
Care to explain the logic of that one?
But you can only change hearts and minds if you advocate for something in the first place.
How about advocating for some private intervention that uses the marketplace -- the incentives -- to achieve desired results (less abortion)?
Abandoning the HLA would be an electoral disaster for the Republicans.
No, pushing for it only begets an equal push back by other people who enjoy using government to enact their advocacy issues. Don't you see the cycle of government intrusion here or are you just blind to it?
If the Supreme Court tomorrow were to mow down the marriage laws of all fifty states and impose a federal same-sex “marriage” decree on us, I’ll bet a third of the Freepers would raise the white flag immediately.
I would hope that everyone here would raise the whit flag. But I would be very quick to point out the inconsistencies of those people who disdain states' rights issues when the laws enacted in some states do not bend their way or when their (the hypocrites) desired goals for legislation is for the legislation to be enacted at the federal level.
If FR is still around in 2050, we’ll likely be discussing abandoning our opposition to forced abortion and legal infanticide during the first six months after birth.
Forced? If this ever came to pass, it would be because the political Right, in their attempts to federalize all their political whims and issues, left the door open for the political Left to do the same. The prevent-defense (goal line stance) to all of this conjecture and speculation is to maximize liberty and denounce government intrusion wherever it is advocated...including when the advocacy is coming from the Right!
See your post 234 and care to explain your logic with that one. Can’t help it if you sounded a bit like the Taliban. But you do.
As Fred's answer to the question clearly stated, the pro-life plank in the platform was a reaction to Roe v Wade. I don't believe the platform ever mentioned abortion before then. Fred's objection is not to the Republican party being the one that defends unborn children, but to the particular remedy that is subscribed to in the platform; the Human Life Amendment. He knows the HLA will not be passed in this country at this time. Why not look for other ways to save babies?
You can, of course, believe what you want, but Fred has stated clearly, since first mentioning the idea of running for President that he wants to do exactly that.
We do agree. I will vote for any republican if the alternative is passive acceptance of Hillary Clinton.
Do you honestly believe that, if it were put up for a vote with the citizens of your State, that people would vote to throw women in jail if they had an abortion? You're dreaming, if you think that. Now, the doctors are another story, because they are not subjective about the issue; they're in it for the money. Most people will be concerned about the women being pressured into it by parents, boyfriends, husbands, etc, because that is exactly what is happening now, because it is legal and easy to do.
The Republican platform is NOT the Ten Commandments. It’s a set of guidelines to direct party members and candidates. There will be people who don’t agree with various and sundry parts of it. Doesn’t mean they’re not Republicans, and we have the right to vote, or NOT vote for a candidate, based on their agreement with the platform.
Apparently you do not recognize that contracts, voluntary associations, and established mediation or prearranged judiciary have a place in a civilized society. If you do not understand these things then I cannot continue to rationally discuss politics with you...you obviously prefer the force of government and the tyranny of the majority. Good luck with that approach in trying to build a better society.
Lol.
Fred in '08.
LOL!!
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