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Abolish the Air Force
The American Prospect ^ | Nov. 1, 2007 | Robert Farley

Posted on 11/02/2007 1:36:49 PM PDT by DesScorp

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To: Exton1
The rest of the stuff is un-Constitutional and should be eliminated first.

Strictly speaking the Air Force is unconstitutional as well.

301 posted on 11/03/2007 4:43:28 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: JamesP81
The Air Force is, after all, a government branch that is Constitutionally justified.

Read it again.

302 posted on 11/03/2007 4:44:13 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: donnab

Go girl!


303 posted on 11/03/2007 4:56:37 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: Mr Rogers

Like Vietnam, the Russians failed to controll the countryside. Not to mention the Russians had no experience fighting in the type of terrain in Afghanistan.

As for Vietnam, the COIN there was killing the bad guys. Look up Operation Phoenix. We were eliminating Viet Cong leadership, not winning their hearts and minds.

I’m talking about our military in this century. I also think that if you, like AndyJackson believe the hearts and minds of Muslims can be won you are going to be sorely disappointed.

And tell me this, where has counter insurgency ever worked well against militant religious fanatics? This isn’t just a rebellion to stop, it’s a culture that needs elimination.

I never mentioned nukes by the way, I said our Air Force might be more useful (in reference to the article) if we allowed them to bomb the enemy out of existence.

If the third world muslims would just mind their own business and stay in their own hell hole I would care less. Unfortunately they want to rule the world, not make nice like you and Andy and W think.

If you want to make nice with the enemy, send in the Red Cross, the Peace Corp and the Salvation Army, not our military.


304 posted on 11/03/2007 5:18:01 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: joe fonebone
I guess you were not in the military, because you do not get the interservice rivalry..all done in good fun, a$$wipe....

Well actually I spent 8 years in USAF. 4 flying F-4's. On more then one occasion it was my duty to go out on a recovery and pick up the pieces of air crew who went down. When you start with the " the AF isn't the military " you cross the line.
305 posted on 11/03/2007 5:21:44 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Non-Sequitur

HUH?


306 posted on 11/03/2007 5:22:11 PM PDT by donnab (saving liberals brains....one moron at a time.)
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To: DesScorp

I don’t know what to think. My Father was in the Army Air Forces during WWII but was part of the switch and retired from the Air Force in 1956.


307 posted on 11/03/2007 5:29:31 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: snippy_about_it

The Russians tried to bomb the countryside into submission. It didn’t work then, and won’t now.

Afghanistan is not dominated by Islamic fanatics. The remote countryside has them, but even there the Afghan culture isn’t big into forcing someone else to believe what you do.

The COIN we’re doing IS killing the bad guys, and in large numbers. The problem are the bad guys in a safe haven in Pakistan. However, many Afghans don’t like Paks who cross the border.

And we ARE winning hearts and minds of Muslims. They are sending girls to school in record numbers in Afghanistan, and folks are starting to watch TV...a good way to spread the message. In rural areas, our biggest problem is that tribal leaders don’t believe we’ll be there for the long haul, so they hedge their bets - but few of them love the Taliban.

Bombing the hell out of folks won’t work. Sorry, but the US Army DOES know what it is doing (as does the USAF in its role, per this thread). We are winning, but we need the time to finish the job.


308 posted on 11/03/2007 5:33:25 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Mr Rogers

Going to school and watching tv is going to do it? Okay. Let’s look at all the educated terrorists. Osama, the 9/11 hijackers, the people running Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Sure, they love us because they can watch tv and the women go to school.

That’ll do it./sarc


309 posted on 11/03/2007 5:57:34 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: SIDENET

You talk of a take over of the Minuteman, B-2... Not only does the Navy aslo have ballistic experience, the author doesn’t say replace the personnel, just change the command structure. I still don’t understand what you feel would be lost, other than a uniform.


310 posted on 11/03/2007 6:07:49 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: SampleMan

Actually, unifying all branches of the armed forces does not follow logically from the author’s argument. He clearly states that the USAF was originally a part of the ARMY and became a seperate branch after a desire to gain prestige.


311 posted on 11/03/2007 6:11:33 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: donnab

Read Article I, Section 8. It authorizes the funding of an army and a navy. It doesn’t mention a separate branch called an air force.


312 posted on 11/03/2007 6:12:45 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: SIDENET

>> That’s my only cool JSTARS photo, though.

And very cool indeed - thanks for posting it!


313 posted on 11/03/2007 6:14:38 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: snippy_about_it

We’re trying to win the majority. Hell, we’ve got freaks here in the US that want us all to die - but if you win a solid majority, you force them underground and make them less effective.

We will always have folks who hate us. Short of killing everyone in the globe, we cannot change that - but if we win solid majorities, that will give us the upper hand.

We are doing that now. I may not want the US Army running airpower, but they are an amazing organization for winning wars on the ground.


314 posted on 11/03/2007 6:15:27 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Are you saying the Constitution doesn’t allow for the common defense?


315 posted on 11/03/2007 6:16:48 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: ffusco
Have you worked with Navy or USAF air assets?

I ask because there is a world of difference in how those assets are viewed and used. The author doesn't seem to understand any of this. His article is simplistic to the point of being a joke.

316 posted on 11/03/2007 6:25:42 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: DesScorp
This whole thread is the biggest load of crap I've ever seen on FR. You and the idiots who wrote that article have NO CLUE what the AF does for this country's defense.
317 posted on 11/03/2007 6:26:52 PM PDT by ShowMeMom (America: The home of the FREE because of the BRAVE.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I understand what you are saying, I just disagree. I don’t believe they can be trusted. They won’t stay underground.

In any event I don’t agree that the Army should run the Air Force either. Each of the services have their job and they all do their own quite well. Our troops are the best on land, on sea and in the air.

I’d like to get rid of the freaks here too. I don’t believe we could ever win them over either. If 9/11 didn’t do it, nothing will.

We’re on the same page, we just differ in how we think we should fight.


318 posted on 11/03/2007 6:27:43 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: Eye of Unk
I wonder how the F22 compares to the F/A 18 in the air.
F/A-18 Hornet strike fighter fact sheet



Unfortunately, I know very little about these machines other than the posters and models I had as a kid. I just discovered the Tomcat was decommissioned - ouch....
319 posted on 11/03/2007 7:08:24 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Non-Sequitur

And it was written when? I guess their crystal balls were out of commission.
Smiles oh so sweetly.


320 posted on 11/03/2007 7:13:25 PM PDT by donnab (saving liberals brains....one moron at a time.)
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