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To: Coyoteman

“Are you claiming that ID as “dissent” brings scientific evidence?”

You wouldn’t know “scientific evidence” if it bit you on the rear end.

“This most elegant system of the sun, planets, and comets could not have arisen without the design and dominion of an intelligent and powerful being.” —Sir Isaac Newton, The Principia

“Overwhelmingly strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us.” —Lord Kelvin

“The Darwinian theory has become an all-purpose obstacle to thought rather than an enabler of scientific advance.” —Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel-laureate physicist

“So if one proceeds directly and straightforwardly in this matter, without being deflected by a fear of incurring the wrath of scientific opinion, one arrives at the conclusion that biomaterials with their amazing measure of order must be the outcome of intelligent design. No other possibility I have been able to think of in pondering this issue over quite a long time seems to me to have anything like as high a possibility of being true. ... The notion that not only the biopolymer but the operating program of a living cell could be arrived at by chance in a primordial organic soup here on the Earth is evidently nonsense of a high order.” —Sir Fred Hoyle, British astonomer, from a lecture in 1982 (1824-1907)


70 posted on 11/02/2007 10:12:58 PM PDT by RussP
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To: RussP
“Overwhelmingly strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us.” —Lord Kelvin

"Malaria was intentionally designed. The molecular machinery with which the parasite invades red blood cells is an exquisitely purposeful arrangement of parts. (...) What sort of designer is that? What sort of "fine-tuning" leads to untold human misery? To countless mothers mourning countless children? Did a hateful, malign being make intelligent life in order to torture it? One who relishes cries of pain? Maybe. Maybe not." (Michael Behe, The Edge of Evolution, p.237)

72 posted on 11/03/2007 5:48:43 AM PDT by js1138
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To: RussP
None of those statements were regarding Scientific evidence. I myself feel that the symmetry of the universe speaks of the obviousness of a creator, but I do not confuse my feelings about predictable phenomena and forces with actual data about how those laws and forces came about. Moreover, I.D. is a retreat from the path of these noble men of Science who sought to explain how the universe was laid out UTILIZING THOSE PREDICTABLE PHENOMENA AND FORCES, not assumed that it was Incompetently Designed and that ‘the designer’ had to fill in the cracks by hand or push things in the desired direction utilizing celestial powers of unknown and unmeasurable quality.

That is why Incompetent Design is not Science and is anti-Scientific in its goals, outlook, and philosophy.

73 posted on 11/03/2007 5:49:38 AM PDT by allmendream (A binary modality is a sure sign you don't understand the problem. (Hunter 08))
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