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To: Pietro
All "dissent" needs to do is bring evidence -- scientific evidence.

And where are they to bring it cman when all the doors are closed to them. When to mention "design" is career suicide.

Perhaps there has not been sufficient evidence presented of a "designer." In the mean time, science has accumulated a huge amount of evidence, while dealing with the natural world, that suggests evolution could have occurred naturally.

I've always felt you are an honest observer and respect the way you defend your position, however, perhaps the adherents of your position could benefit from some sincere self examination.

Appreciate the compliment.

The acadamie is held in low regard, and science, heretofore above the fray, is being dragged down w/ it. The same ostracization that is heaped on ID is being heaped on critics of climate change. The same iron grip. The same "junk".

But there is a difference here. There is evidence either for, or against, the idea of man-made climate change. Like ID, the idea of man-made climate change has been largely pushed by political means. But in the case of man-made climate change, the scientists who oppose the idea are beginning to be heard, and the whole thing is going to crumble in a couple of years.

ID, on the other hand, is really a religious idea masquerading as science. The whole sordid scheme was laid out in the Wedge Strategy, a planning and fund-raising document which unfortunately leaked from the Dyscovery Institute. For additional evidence of this, just use the Wayback Machine and look at the DI website in its early years.

Or, here is a good blog on the subject: Uncloseting the Discovery Institute: The IDea that Dare Not Speak Its Name (Part 1).

64 posted on 11/02/2007 7:02:40 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
You really are obcessed by the "Wedge Document". I've read it and it doesn't appear particuarly ominous to me.

Whether you choose to recognise it or not, evoution is a key driving point in the assault on religion that is taking place in our culture and in our schools.

It is absolutley critical for the people of God to address this assault on the same plain and w/ the same language, that is the language of science. Naturally this is not a simple thing in as much as religion is primarily metaphysical in nature.

You can rest assured though that the Truth will win in the end, I know I am.

115 posted on 11/05/2007 4:53:32 AM PST by Pietro
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