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To: Colofornian
Yes, Utah Girl is truly a lady when it comes to responding to the bile you post.

Unlike her, I’m not so diplomatic. I call it like it see it and your posting history reveals what you are—an anti-Mormon bigot.

Bigots never let facts get in their way. You make a pathetic attempt in your post to impugn BYU students as liberals who are supportive of Harry Reid when the FACTS couldn’t be more different.

BYU is ranked as the 4th most conservative college in the U.S. http://spotlight.encarta.msn.com/Features/encnet_Departments_College_default_article_10schoolsPoliticallyConservative08.html

And in 2005, Provo, Utah was ranked the most conservative city in the U.S. http://www.govpro.com/News/Article/31439/

But, as I have repeatedly seen from your posts, facts won’t get in the way of your repeated efforts to smear Mormons and any institution affiliated with them

284 posted on 10/29/2007 9:09:55 PM PDT by ComeUpHigher
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To: ComeUpHigher
And in 2005, Provo, Utah was ranked the most conservative city in the U.S. http://www.govpro.com/News/Article/31439/ But, as I have repeatedly seen from your posts, facts won’t get in the way of your repeated efforts to smear Mormons and any institution affiliated with them.

Hey, I knew beloved Mormons in Utah who committed suicide, and Utah is among the state leaders in suicide rate on a fairly regular basis (so all is not A-OK in Mormonville as you claim). And this suicide rate is just one indicator that all is not right spiritually underneath the surface no matter how much you deny that.

I know the pressures are great to always be conforming to living up to certain images, to being among the 20% of LDS who receive temple recommends (& thereby be deemed "worthy"), and to attain exaltation. When you have a BoM standard of being "saved by grace AFTER all you can do," folks then try to accomplish "all" they can do so that God will finally take the load off their spiritual feet.

As Paul said, we are offer to be TRANSFORMED, not just to buckle under daily CONformation, and in order to do that, we need to be born again. Even the Book of Mormon says we are to be born again (see Mosiah 5:7; 27:24-28; Alma 7:14).

The problem is people can never do enough spiritually, relationally, and ethically. We always fall short. This perpetuates the notion that "I've got to get well first, so I can go see the doctor." No! Jesus specifically said, "those who are well have no need of a doctor" but I need a spiritual doc and I know everyone else needs one, too. We all need unearned grace; mercy; God's favor. And we need Him--not just to be "driven" to do more--but just to "be" the way we can just "be" in our most intimate moments with our spouse. He craves for us to relate to Him without feeling guilty--to BE reconciled.

341 posted on 10/30/2007 6:57:15 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: ComeUpHigher
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352 posted on 10/30/2007 7:51:26 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I have a tagline . I just don't think the forum police will allow me to use it. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!)
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