THE CASE AGAINST GIULIANI Giuliani worships at the Church of Whatever Works For me.
Conservatives are disgusted with abortion worshipper Giuliani---a gun-grabbing RINO who is working assiduously to religiously cleanse the Repub party. Rooty and his Rooters are obsessed with dumping so/cons off the party lifeboat.
A religiously-cleansed America, erased of The Founder's principles, would perforce adhere to Rooty's irrational, valueless mentality, one that has no relevance to deep American traditions.
Rooty and his Tooters offend the sensibilities of patriotic religious Americans nurtured by a democracy built on freedom of religion. Under Giuliani, people of religion would be subjugated to second-class citizenship.
The contrast between Giuliani and Mitt Romney is staggering. Romney vigorously defends his faith. In an increasingly secular society, it is heartening that a candidate not only espouses a faith but actually defends his faith to voters.
We may not all agree with Romney's belief system, but the fact that a US president recognizes the importance if religion is a very big plus.
Or would you rather have Rooty's irrational, religiously cleansed mindset in our White House?
Liz, I deeply appreciate some of your posts in other threads...they've been quite enlightening on Rudy (so keep it up). But on this, you fall into the same premature trap others have set up.
I mean it may one day come down to Rudy vs. Hillary, but others who keep boiling it down to this are speaking prematurely. Well, you're doing the same thing in boiling it down to only Rudy vs. Mitt.
Romney vigorously defends his faith. In an increasingly secular society, it is heartening that a candidate not only espouses a faith but actually defends his faith to voters. We may not all agree with Romney's belief system, but the fact that a US president recognizes the importance if religion is a very big plus.
Well, read my post #14. It addresses this. You're going along the same lines Medved was talking about yesterday and where the Bob Jones University rep & others keep going. ("Yeah, sure we have theological disagreements but...") Well, I'm not only addressing mere "disagreements" (as if those "disagreements" weren't of eternal import to begin with).
Don't you understand that "Romney's belief system" openly attacks the base of the Republican party as being outright apostates of the faith? I mean only the Muslims are comparable--as they reference us as "infidels."
You know, it's not flattering for the Muslims to call us "infidels," and it's not flattering for Mormons to call us "apostates" whose leaders are "corrupt" and "every single creed" is an "abomination before God."
(Yeah, Evangelicals think LDS in general are "heretics," but we don't say EVERY SINGLE CREED LDS believe is an "abomination before God,"; nor do we label their leaders as "corrupt"; and, as folks like ColorCountry shows, it's possible for LDS to be saved right where they are--for God to reach into the LDS church and establish a true relationship with them)
...it is heartening that a candidate not only espouses a faith but actually defends his faith to voters.
Listen, if I went into my backyard, got down & worshipped my tulips, and then went and filled out the paperwork for a POTUS run, I don't think you would conclude about me: "It's heartening that a candidate like C not only espouses a faith (in tulips) but actually defends his faith to voters." (Faith is meaningless apart from the object of that faith. And those who put their faith in what they say is part of the created order, like LDS, who believe that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ were both only created beings, versus those who put their faith in the eternal, everlasting, no-beginning Creator is a wide gap).
No, I would rather have Duncan Hunter, Fred Thompson, Ron Paul, Mike Huckabee or Tom Tancredo.
You Mormon-supporters make it sound like it's a Rudy Romney race and we must decide between the lesser of two evils. Geeze wouldn't it be nice if Republicans actually voted their conscience and sent a fine man to the Presidential Elections that actually represented out beliefs and not some pandering, slick, oily, abortion-protecting, gun-grabbing, Statist RINO??
What is WRONG with you people?
Sorry, Liz,
My reply was a bit “over the top.” I hadn’t actually read the exchange between you and Colofornian. But I am frustrated by the attitude that we must select between Rudy and Romney. They are BOTH unacceptable. I will not vote for either man.
I’m praying that there are many informed and impassioned Republicans that actually value conservatism and will fight for the Grand Old Party. If not, the GOP is destined to the follow the history of the Whigs.