Posted on 10/22/2007 11:51:09 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
And, if Giuliani should, by some twist of fate, win the presidency, it will mean the end of Reaganism. It will represent a turning point in the history of the Republican Party and our nation. It will mean the continued deaths of tens of millions unborn babies when we are closer than ever to defeating the abortion culture that Roe v. Wade initiated in 1973.
Should Giuliani succeed, it will represent the end of any hope for the Republican Party to serve as an alternative to the Democratic Party for millions of people like me and Dr. Dobson. That's bigger than two terms of Hillary Rodham Clinton. That's worse even than four or eight more years in the wilderness.
I actually believe it would be worse for America if Rudy Giuliani were elected president than Hillary Rodham Clinton.
If Hillary wins, the reaction to her predictable overreaching will be similar to what we experienced in 1994 a "Republican revolution."
If Rudy wins, millions will simply defect from the Republican Party. If you want to see the rise of a third party, just be sure to nominate Giuliani and elect him as president.
The long-term consequences of a Giuliani victory are far worse than the consequences of a Clinton victory.
So let's avoid that dire choice now. There's still time to avoid such an unpleasant scenario. Let's just nominate a Republican the Republican base can support.
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That a big assumption you're making. The political climate has changed since 1994. Yes, Hillary has huge negatives but that may or may not mean a Republican win in 2010 assuming she takes office. In 1994, a large part of the takeover was due to House scandals that may not be an issue in 2010. As I said, past performance is no guarantee of future results. Especially when the past performance involved an entirely different situation.
And, we're getting the same judges with Hillary or Giuliani.
That is simply not true. Giulaini has stated he will appoint strict constructionists and those advising him such as Ted Olson, a solid conservative, agree.
And, there is no reason to believe Giuliani is any different than Arnold. In fact, he compared himself to Arnold back in June:
"I governed very much like your governor does. I got results and I want people to look at that and say that's the way I would govern as president of the United States. I would get results."
Rudolph Giuliani, 6/29/07
No, Rudy just employs pedophile priests. No big deal. He is a Republican.
The URL for the article is http://www.rapturealert.com/americainbibleprophecy2.html if anyone is interested. I tied to create a link to it but for some unknown reason the address won't link.
The diaster Dobson is referring to is his own. If the faithful realized that a republican could be elected without his stamp of approval, he suddenly becomes very marginalized.
Choosing a Rino over the Devil is not going to turn the GOP into a pro-choice party.
However, choosing the Devil (even if by abstention) over the Rino will turn the country into a PRO-CHOICE nation.
The GOP owned the House, the Senate and the White House for six years. They even possessed a conservative majority in the Supreme Court at the end of that six year period. They could have solved the abortion issue once and for all. They could have solved the social security issue once and for all. They could have solved the illegal immigration issue once and for all. Instead they chose to do nothing. Voters cannot afford to make the same mistake that the GOP made during the Bush years. We must do the best with what we have, even if it leaves a bad taste in our mouths.
I misinterpreted your post, sorry but that's how I read it.
Id like to think you actually read what I just repeated, but your post to me ranting about a holocaust indicates either you didnt, or you just want to rail at somebody on this topic.
I read the entire post, and I don't consider my reply to be "railing" against you or any other poster. As I said, I misinterpreted your intent.
I just often wonder if those who say they don't support abortion but seem to take legalized abortion as just another routine political issue and not as the defining issue of our time realize the true magnitude of the abortion issue. I am convinced that God regards what America has done and is doing to millions of unborn humans to be equally as evil and ghastly as what the Nazis did in Europe and the communists did in the USSR and China.
If the horrors perpetrated by Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Saddam, etc, and their minions earned them the eternal wrath of God, then I believe that American pro-aborts are earning the same wrath for themselves, and by extension for our own once-Christian nation. I have to believe that any nation and people who regard the issue of legal abortion mills and the hired killers who legally perform the killing as just a political issue on the same level of importance as a bad fiscal policy will be held accountable to God for their lack of genuine concern.
Well, that's good. I'll keep this quote and pull it back out when the Fairness Doctrine is reinstated, when the elderly leftist SCOTUS justices finally retire in favor of three or four judges from the 9th Circuit, when FreeRepublic is determined to be political speech subject to regulation and taxation, when the military is reduced to its bare bones.
When abortion at any time is pushed as a constitutional right.
When family and marriage is jimmied to mean nothing.
When the Islamonazis who are too nervous or too disorganized to attach us on our shores ... will find that opportunity to strike again.
Die on that hill. Fine. But don't drag everyone else there with you.
That is very unfortunate.
Forgive me if this has been asked before, but what do you see as the difference between a true flipflopper such as Kerry, who took varying stands on a daily basis - from A or B to A to C to a again - and ROmney, who states that he has had a change of heart?
Does that paint all of us who have had a change of heart as flip-floppers?
And, Bill Clinton promised a middle-class tax cut, too.
There is no reason to believe a man that was cheating on his wife and parading his mistress around New York while in office. Nor is there any reason to believe him when he appointed liberal judges by an 8-1 margin in New York.
And, with a Democratic Senate, a liberal like Rudy isn't going waste his political capital on judges.
So what candidate would you support in lieu of JulieAnnie?
The Constitutionalist candidate?
I'm not dragging anybody. If a man can vote for Giuliani with an clear conscience, then more power to him.
I can't.
I won't.
I am willing to suffer the consequences of my stand. I do not have to answer to the Republican party when I stand before God and give an accounting of my life.
How about putting the country's interest ahead of the movement? Would you be as sanguine about that concept if the "leftist movement" were the priority over the country's interest on the other side of the aisle?
Just asking.
And let me be clear. Guiliani is NOT my first choice. But Hillary is my LAST choice.
What is really awful about it is that a few months ago in the middle of the campaign, he was doing his “I’ll be honest with you and tell you that I’m in favor of “a woman’s right to choose.” spiel.
He got a lot of us religious conservatives upset with him over that.
Approximately a week later he goes to SOUTH CAROLINA of all places and announces that, not only does he favor abortion, BUT that he thinks it’s a RIGHT that’s in the Constitution, AND, he thinks that the Fed should fund abortions for those who need the funding.
(Using that logic, the Fed should buy me a new hunting rifle if I don’t have the cash to buy my own....after all, it’s a Constitutional RIGHT. — Except to Rudy who also wants to take my guns away from me.)
In other words, he specifically went to S. Carolina to spit in the faces of religious conservatives. And fiscal conservatives shouldn’t be too happy with that statement, either.
So, the brief answer to your “earlier” question, is “NO, it was very recent.”
God’s commands apply to you too.
Thou shalt not murder.
What movement would that be?
I would take exception with this, but I don't want to hijack this thread.
Lions of Tarshish could just as easily be Europe as they are democracies as well, and Tartesseus was in Spain (Europe), by most accounts.
That's the problem - it is possible that these two statements both cannot be true at the same time.
If isolationism were still possible, if the ongoing attempts to destroy this country had not happened, sure, I could accept that kind of consequence.
But now - there is no individul suffering of those consequences. It, by its nature, does affect us all.
That's all I'm saying.
I'm not concerned. I trust that God will provide us with the leader we deserve. As voters we will ultimately do nothing more than confirm the choice that God has made for us.
While I pray that God will be merciful to this nation, I know that we do not deserve mercy, especially if we are willing to sacrifice our posterity on the altar of political expediency.
Are we willing to sell our souls to head off a Clinton Presidency? If so then we deserve nothing better than a Clinton Presidency.
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