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Why Dr. Dobson's right (a Giuliani nomination would be a disaster)
World Net Daily ^ | October 23, 2007 | Jospeh Farah

Posted on 10/22/2007 11:51:09 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky

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To: Ol' Sparky
Because that's what happened when Bill Clinton was office and because Hillary is far more unpopular than Bill?

That a big assumption you're making. The political climate has changed since 1994. Yes, Hillary has huge negatives but that may or may not mean a Republican win in 2010 assuming she takes office. In 1994, a large part of the takeover was due to House scandals that may not be an issue in 2010. As I said, past performance is no guarantee of future results. Especially when the past performance involved an entirely different situation.

And, we're getting the same judges with Hillary or Giuliani.

That is simply not true. Giulaini has stated he will appoint strict constructionists and those advising him such as Ted Olson, a solid conservative, agree.

201 posted on 10/23/2007 2:58:41 PM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: normy
If however he is actually Arnold, which I don’t think he is, we would be in big trouble.,P> And, in trouble for a lot longer than if Hillary reaches office. There will be decades worth of damage done to conservatism and the GOP if that is the case.

And, there is no reason to believe Giuliani is any different than Arnold. In fact, he compared himself to Arnold back in June:

"I governed very much like your governor does. I got results and I want people to look at that and say that's the way I would govern as president of the United States. I would get results."

Rudolph Giuliani, 6/29/07

202 posted on 10/23/2007 3:00:59 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: The Dude Abides
Which Republican candidate has received a 1000 dollars each from Chinese busboys? Which Republican hired Sandy (Stuffy) Berger for his staff? Which Republican candidate will fill the government with thousands of liberal party hacks? None - not even Rudy.

No, Rudy just employs pedophile priests. No big deal. He is a Republican.

203 posted on 10/23/2007 3:04:22 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Cedric
I googled up a lot of prophecy websites when I put in "whelps of Tarshish" but none of them went by that name or title. However, I did find an interesting and somewhat convincing article on the same subject that makes the claim that the US and other former British colonies are modern day versions of the merchants of Tarshish to which Ezekial referred in his prophetic message in chapters 38 and 39.

The URL for the article is http://www.rapturealert.com/americainbibleprophecy2.html if anyone is interested. I tied to create a link to it but for some unknown reason the address won't link.

204 posted on 10/23/2007 3:15:01 PM PDT by epow (The cross in the middle should have been mine)
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To: Ol' Sparky

The diaster Dobson is referring to is his own. If the faithful realized that a republican could be elected without his stamp of approval, he suddenly becomes very marginalized.


205 posted on 10/23/2007 3:16:21 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Ol' Sparky
One election is not going to turn the GOP into a pro-choice party.

Choosing a Rino over the Devil is not going to turn the GOP into a pro-choice party.

However, choosing the Devil (even if by abstention) over the Rino will turn the country into a PRO-CHOICE nation.

The GOP owned the House, the Senate and the White House for six years. They even possessed a conservative majority in the Supreme Court at the end of that six year period. They could have solved the abortion issue once and for all. They could have solved the social security issue once and for all. They could have solved the illegal immigration issue once and for all. Instead they chose to do nothing. Voters cannot afford to make the same mistake that the GOP made during the Bush years. We must do the best with what we have, even if it leaves a bad taste in our mouths.

206 posted on 10/23/2007 3:22:18 PM PDT by BigAlPro (It's time to flush the toilet of political corruption in Washington)
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To: Badeye
Again, I’m not the ‘enemy’ here. I’ve already noted multiple times I don’t support Abortion, and that I find Roe v Wade horrible law.

I misinterpreted your post, sorry but that's how I read it.

I’d like to think you actually read what I just repeated, but your post to me ranting about a ‘holocaust’ indicates either you didn’t, or you just want to rail at somebody on this topic.

I read the entire post, and I don't consider my reply to be "railing" against you or any other poster. As I said, I misinterpreted your intent.

I just often wonder if those who say they don't support abortion but seem to take legalized abortion as just another routine political issue and not as the defining issue of our time realize the true magnitude of the abortion issue. I am convinced that God regards what America has done and is doing to millions of unborn humans to be equally as evil and ghastly as what the Nazis did in Europe and the communists did in the USSR and China.

If the horrors perpetrated by Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Saddam, etc, and their minions earned them the eternal wrath of God, then I believe that American pro-aborts are earning the same wrath for themselves, and by extension for our own once-Christian nation. I have to believe that any nation and people who regard the issue of legal abortion mills and the hired killers who legally perform the killing as just a political issue on the same level of importance as a bad fiscal policy will be held accountable to God for their lack of genuine concern.

207 posted on 10/23/2007 3:45:27 PM PDT by epow (The cross in the middle should have been mine)
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To: P-Marlowe
I will stand on principle. I will NEVER vote for Guliani for President. NEVER. No matter what the cost.

Well, that's good. I'll keep this quote and pull it back out when the Fairness Doctrine is reinstated, when the elderly leftist SCOTUS justices finally retire in favor of three or four judges from the 9th Circuit, when FreeRepublic is determined to be political speech subject to regulation and taxation, when the military is reduced to its bare bones.

When abortion at any time is pushed as a constitutional right.

When family and marriage is jimmied to mean nothing.

When the Islamonazis who are too nervous or too disorganized to attach us on our shores ... will find that opportunity to strike again.

Die on that hill. Fine. But don't drag everyone else there with you.

208 posted on 10/23/2007 4:42:19 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

That is very unfortunate.


209 posted on 10/23/2007 4:44:44 PM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: dano1

Forgive me if this has been asked before, but what do you see as the difference between a true flipflopper such as Kerry, who took varying stands on a daily basis - from A or B to A to C to a again - and ROmney, who states that he has had a change of heart?

Does that paint all of us who have had a change of heart as flip-floppers?


210 posted on 10/23/2007 4:49:38 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: scarface367
Giulaini has stated he will appoint strict constructionists

And, Bill Clinton promised a middle-class tax cut, too.

There is no reason to believe a man that was cheating on his wife and parading his mistress around New York while in office. Nor is there any reason to believe him when he appointed liberal judges by an 8-1 margin in New York.

And, with a Democratic Senate, a liberal like Rudy isn't going waste his political capital on judges.

211 posted on 10/23/2007 5:14:55 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky

So what candidate would you support in lieu of JulieAnnie?

The Constitutionalist candidate?


212 posted on 10/23/2007 6:09:17 PM PDT by ZULU (We)
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To: bootless
Die on that hill. Fine. But don't drag everyone else there with you.

I'm not dragging anybody. If a man can vote for Giuliani with an clear conscience, then more power to him.

I can't.

I won't.

I am willing to suffer the consequences of my stand. I do not have to answer to the Republican party when I stand before God and give an accounting of my life.

213 posted on 10/23/2007 6:18:15 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
It is getting pretty clear that what the conservative movement may need is, in fact, a Hillary presidency.

How about putting the country's interest ahead of the movement? Would you be as sanguine about that concept if the "leftist movement" were the priority over the country's interest on the other side of the aisle?

Just asking.

And let me be clear. Guiliani is NOT my first choice. But Hillary is my LAST choice.

214 posted on 10/23/2007 6:32:09 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: jonathanmo

What is really awful about it is that a few months ago in the middle of the campaign, he was doing his “I’ll be honest with you and tell you that I’m in favor of “a woman’s right to choose.” spiel.

He got a lot of us religious conservatives upset with him over that.

Approximately a week later he goes to SOUTH CAROLINA of all places and announces that, not only does he favor abortion, BUT that he thinks it’s a RIGHT that’s in the Constitution, AND, he thinks that the Fed should fund abortions for those who need the funding.

(Using that logic, the Fed should buy me a new hunting rifle if I don’t have the cash to buy my own....after all, it’s a Constitutional RIGHT. — Except to Rudy who also wants to take my guns away from me.)

In other words, he specifically went to S. Carolina to spit in the faces of religious conservatives. And fiscal conservatives shouldn’t be too happy with that statement, either.

So, the brief answer to your “earlier” question, is “NO, it was very recent.”


215 posted on 10/23/2007 7:22:23 PM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: normy

God’s commands apply to you too.

Thou shalt not murder.


216 posted on 10/23/2007 7:24:01 PM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: bootless
How about putting the country's interest ahead of the movement?

What movement would that be?

217 posted on 10/23/2007 7:43:41 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: epow
America is not mentioned in bible prophecy while nations such as Israel, Iran, Syria, Russia, Turkey, the Euro Union, etc, are mentioned

I would take exception with this, but I don't want to hijack this thread.

Lions of Tarshish could just as easily be Europe as they are democracies as well, and Tartesseus was in Spain (Europe), by most accounts.

218 posted on 10/23/2007 7:48:52 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: P-Marlowe
I'm not dragging anybody. . . . . I am willing to suffer the consequences of my stand.

That's the problem - it is possible that these two statements both cannot be true at the same time.

If isolationism were still possible, if the ongoing attempts to destroy this country had not happened, sure, I could accept that kind of consequence.

But now - there is no individul suffering of those consequences. It, by its nature, does affect us all.

That's all I'm saying.

219 posted on 10/23/2007 8:32:39 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: bootless; xzins
But now - there is no individul suffering of those consequences. It, by its nature, does affect us all.

I'm not concerned. I trust that God will provide us with the leader we deserve. As voters we will ultimately do nothing more than confirm the choice that God has made for us.

While I pray that God will be merciful to this nation, I know that we do not deserve mercy, especially if we are willing to sacrifice our posterity on the altar of political expediency.

Are we willing to sell our souls to head off a Clinton Presidency? If so then we deserve nothing better than a Clinton Presidency.

220 posted on 10/23/2007 8:37:29 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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