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To: Jim Robinson; ex-snook; wagglebee; sofaman; All
As none of the arguments or responses to this point have been based on Constitutional principles but biblical principles instead, one can only come to the conclusion FR is a Christian Right forum disguised as a Conservative forum.

As abhorrent as abortion is, there is nothing in the Constitution which would prohibit it. In the same vein, as repulsive as homosexual acts are, there is no Constitutional prohibition.

Those self-proclaimed guardians of Conservatism would do well to be more honest and principled in their positions and claim the Bible as their touchstone rather than the U.S. Constitution.

651 posted on 10/21/2007 7:14:28 AM PDT by olde north church (Epitaph for America: We weren't humble enough to be pragmatic.)
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To: olde north church
As abhorrent as abortion is, there is nothing in the Constitution which would prohibit it.

The Constitution's Preamble (or premise)

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

In case you don't know how to find a dictionary, let me inform you that the word "posterity" refers to those who are not yet born.

The Fifth Amendment (the heart of the original Bill of Rights):

No person shall be...deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...

That means charged, tried, and convicted on a capital offense. How is it possible for a child in the womb to be guilty of a capital offense?

The Fourteenth Amendment:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Do you agree with Blackmun that a child in the womb is not a "person"? Even he, in the text of Roe, admitted that if the babe in the womb were a person, that they were therefore protected by the Fourteenth Amendment:

A. The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a "person" within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well-known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment.

Tens of millions of American children have been brutally done to death because of the stupid lie that a child in the womb is not a person. And the slaughter continues every day because of the gross ignorance of ignoramus' like you.

655 posted on 10/21/2007 8:23:12 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: olde north church; Jim Robinson; ex-snook; sofaman
As none of the arguments or responses to this point have been based on Constitutional principles but biblical principles instead, one can only come to the conclusion FR is a Christian Right forum disguised as a Conservative forum.

You are either ignorant or you are lying.

The Declaration of Independence makes it clear that we are endowed by God, "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness," the Constitution's Preamble states that its purpose is to, "Secure the Blessings of Liberty." Amendments 5 and 14 make it perfectly clear that a person's life cannot be taken without due process.

Those self-proclaimed guardians of Conservatism would do well to be more honest and principled in their positions and claim the Bible as their touchstone rather than the U.S. Constitution.

No, liberals would do well either adopt conservatism or else find another forum more suited to their leftist agenda.

659 posted on 10/21/2007 8:55:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: olde north church; Jim Robinson; ex-snook; wagglebee; sofaman; All
As none of the arguments or responses to this point have been based on Constitutional principles...

So "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. " from the Declaration of Independence doesn't apply to the unborn? Who says?

or even the 5th Amendment of the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution?

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

663 posted on 10/21/2007 9:16:41 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: olde north church

Do you think Roe v. Wade is supported by the Constitution? I’d just like to see the issue return to the states where it rightfully belongs.


698 posted on 10/21/2007 11:03:21 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: olde north church
As abhorrent as abortion is, there is nothing in the Constitution which would prohibit it.

If your state passed a law sentencing to death anyone who had ever used the word "olde" in an Internet screen name, would you say, "Well, looks like there's no prohibition in the Constitution" and meekly report for your lethal injection?

Oh, and try checking out the Fourteenth Amendment, superscholar.

1,197 posted on 10/23/2007 8:07:58 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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