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To: roamer_1

No, its your shallow notion that defense of life means X and only X. The Court is where abortion is decided at the national level. Congress will not remove it from the perview of the court, even though it could constitutionally because it doesn’t have the will to do so. D or R controlling congress it won’t do it.

That leaves it in the courts domain.

Yes Senate must approve the nomination, but you suppositioning that the D’s will hold the senate, its 49 49 with 2 indies (yes both left aligned) but hardly is this some magical lock that means the Senate will remain in D’s hands for the next 4 to 8 years. Reid’s leadership is going to cost the Dems for certain in 08, as will Pelosi’s.. may not be huge swings, but it doesn’t take much.

If your goal is life as you claim, then going 3rd party or staying home if your man doesn’t get the nominee, just assures another 1.2-1.6 BILLION murders. If that’s how you show your committment to life, thank God you aren’t committed to death.


1,174 posted on 10/23/2007 6:55:51 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Salient Points HJ.

I will try again to make a point, this time I'll be less strident.

The abortion issue wont be solved by the courts anyways. It will be helped and evey life saved by the courts is worth it. However, let's say that the next President (Thompson?) gets a strict constructionist, through the democrat judical process and on the courts. Then they overturn R vs W. Then What?

It goes to the States. The vast majority of States will keep it legal.

Tens of millions will continue to be killed.

In light of threads like this where LIFE IS EVERYTHING, I would suggest that a new tactic needs to be employed to end this madness without relying on the courts, which may take another 100 years!

How many Christians are in this country? If a majority saw this as murder and were willing to stop it, it could be stopped. There are enough Christians(and Orthodox Jews) to engage in non-violent means to deal with the mills. Mass numbers of people could end it.

So, I would refocus efforts, within Christendom. If people see it as murder they will act right? If people see a murder occuring down the street, they call 911 right? If Christendom sees the slaughter of unborn by the millions, what then? Wait for another 50 to 100 years to stop it?

If abortion is really murder, then all of us should get serious about stopping it. IMHO.

1,180 posted on 10/23/2007 11:58:33 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( DT 30, Ps 111, The Law is perfect, attainable, now and Forever)
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To: HamiltonJay
Yes Senate must approve the nomination, but you suppositioning that the D’s will hold the senate

But, if the Senate is in Republican hands, especially if in Conservative hands, Hillary's (or Romney, Giuliani) ability to appoint liberal judges goes away completely anyway, as the Conservative Senate would not approve...

Furthermore, Even if we don't win back the Senate and are faced with losing the White House, such a scenario would force a change in leadership in the party- putting the Conservatives in ascension. This would raise a principled opposition to the Liberals that simply isn't there now.

Your assumption is without merit.

What matters in this debate is getting Conservatives in control wherever possible. That isn't going to happen by electing more RINOS.

1,188 posted on 10/23/2007 3:18:02 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: HamiltonJay

You’ve done a good, rational job at explaining your position. Too bad it seems to fall on numbed minds.


1,196 posted on 10/23/2007 8:06:43 PM PDT by I_like_good_things_too
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