Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."
Agree.
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.
‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan
You have not heard a word. No less abortions with Giuliani, no better judges with Giuliani, just destruction of the Republican party. It will be the Giuliani/liberal wing of the party that leads to this disaster.
“You wouldn’t know the truth if it “smacked you upside the head.”
Nice try, but start making up your own comments rather than parroting back mine. A little creativity, if you’ve got some to expend.
If you really think there will be no difference in judicial nominees, fine. Reality is otherwise. But also look at Giuliani's views on education, fiscal policy, health care, and foreign policy to see how there would be a major difference between him and Hillary.
That is not a fact at all. Abortion is already legal. Whichever one may become President doesn't change that. If the Republican Party abandons the Pro-Life issue, which it clearly will be doing by electing Rudy, who will be left to support that? Rudy's record, as well as his own statements, shows that he will support on-demand abortion, more PP centers and 8-1 liberal judges.
You have not put forth one single source of information to support your contention that a Dem Pres. would increase abortions. They decreased under Bill Clinton. Where is your data? Your logic is MIA.
“My choice is to believe Rudy’s record. 8-1 Dem judicial nominees.”
When the Dem’s rule, and fetuses die, enjoy your pyrrhic victory.
This is a totally unsupportable statement.
That was intentional. Did you notice the quotes? What do you think, I was plagiarizing you?
LOL
You seem very wounded, in addition to being very wrong and deeply delusional.
Apparently the reality you refer to is something other than Rudy's history of nominating 75 judges at an 8-1 liberal ratio.
You keep repeating that nonsensical claim. If it is Rudy v. Hillary, the result on abortion is the same. They are indistinguishable.
I thought you were decrying the lack of rational debate? That is not a substantive reply to my post.
Any movement on the Abortion issue will have to get by Republican Conservatives and Blue Dog Democrats in the house- That will not happen, So the only issue is SCOTUS judges. That, as I have said before, is immaterial- Judges must be approved by a Democratic controlled Senate, so judges are a lost cause without a Conservative uprising.
Again, which is more important to you, not voting for Rudy because, in spite of his saying he will choose strict constructionist judges and will do no harm to the pro-life movement, or not voting for him and thus allow a Dem admin to govern that will guarantee more abortions, in fact encourage them? Your choice.
Giuliani's campaign promises are of no value unless his record backs them up (which it does not). More Dem abortion legislation is unlikely, as I have described above, and judges are a moot point without a Conservative Senate.
Your position holds no merit. Abortions will not appreciably increase under Clinton, nor will they decrease under Giuliani.
The only net difference is that If Giuliani is elected, the Republicans would no longer defend life, which would lead to acceptance of abortion (no defense of life at all) for a very long time. If he is not elected, abortions continue unabated for four to eight years, but the fight goes on.
Yet the blood will be on your hands. Repeat your ad nauseam, illogical statements as often as you want but there is no difference between these two New York liberals on the social issues.
You are obviously incapable of understanding that there is NO DISCERNIBLE DIFFERENCE between Rooty Toot and Hitlery on abortion (or most other issues for that matter).
You have obviously not been listening to what Rudy has been saying on the campaign trail about this issue and what he will not do, which is he will do no harm to the pro-life movement. Now, you choose to not believe him. Ok, try Hillary out for size. You know for sure where she stands. And if she is Prez, you can guarantee that there will be fewer abortion restrictions, and more abortion mills. About two years from now, if Hillary wins because you anti-Rudy people didn’t vote, then hop back on a thread similar to this one and explain yourself. And after Hitlery has been in office for 4-8 years, let’s check out the before and after statistics on the abortion rates under her regime. Explain that too.
“All you’ve done is lie about my words and insult me.”
LOL! You say that to just about anyone who “debates” with you. I’ll take it as a complement to wear the battle scars one acquires when jousting with the likes of you.
You have lied. I documented above. If you’re proud of lying, I can’t help you.
NO different from Hillary on abortion.
Giuliani has stated he will support strict constructionists to the courts. People advising and supporting him such as Ted Olson agree on this.
“You have not heard a word. No less abortions with Giuliani, no better judges with Giuliani, just destruction of the Republican party. It will be the Giuliani/liberal wing of the party that leads to this disaster”
I, unfortunately, have heard every irrational, emotion-laden word. And such hyperbole! Disaster! Just because Rudy might be Prez? How about disaster if Hitlery is Prez, hmmmmm? And in particular, disaster for unborn fetuses.
“You seem very wounded, in addition to being very wrong and deeply delusional.”
Now, now, there you go again (to quote Reagan).
That being said and true, in 33+ years since Roe, your method has done nothing to save a single life and in fact has set in place an abortion litmus test. I can only draw the conclusion you must find the status quo profitable. How much do your organizations collect stoking "abortion rage"?
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