Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."
Agree.
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.
‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan
I'd say you've proved yourself to be the fool, not me.
You said, "As abhorrent as abortion is, there is nothing in the Constitution which would prohibit it." I showed you the Preamble, the premise, for our Constitution. It says that the Constitution is intended to "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." Since, by definition, posterity refers to those not yet born, it is obviously talking about the unborn.
I also showed you the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments, which forbid the taking of the lives of innocent persons. All you've been able to come up with in response is foolish nonsense.
“Nope. The GOP will do that. If they nominate a pro-abortion gungrabber, they forfeit my vote, and the consequences of that action are theirs, not mine.”
The Republican Party is not only you. It consists of many people who are entitled to their opinions,and your egocentricity, along with those of like mind, cumulatively will cause our candidate to lose, if that candidate is Guiliani, and therefore you will be culpable. You can try all you want to weasel out of that fact, but it will remain true. You just don’t want to feel any guilt for your actions if a Dem becomes President and abortions increase rather than remain status quo or decrease. This isn’t about you or Rudy, it’s about minimizing abortions, and what you advocate will have the exact opposite effect.
I hadn't notice you'd started.
“Abortion is murder. It is an abomination before God. It is evil.”
And your solution is to not vote for Rudy Guiliani if he is the Pub candidate and thus guarantee a Dem administration that will increase the availability of abortions exponentially. I wonder what kind of an abomination God will think of that?
There will be no difference between a Clinton nominee and a Giuliani nominee. Giuliani will nominate a pro abortion candidate and then justify it by explaining it was the only way to get it through a Democratic Congress. Mark my word - there will be no difference.
I am a republican when they are conservative and not when they are not. If they want my vote they will nominate a pro-life candidate. If they nominate a pro-abortion gungrabber, they forfeit my vote.
“Cause our candidate to lose?” You’re having reading comprehension troubles. No pro-abortion gungrabber has ever been “my candidate” and I’m not starting now. I don’t vote for pro-abortion creeps. If it’s Rudy v. Hillary, it won’t matter one whit which of those pro-abortion creeps get elected, the result for abortion will be the same.
And this, by definition, indicates that the speaker is a fool.
Or to vote for Rudy Giuliani and thus guarantee a Rep administration that will increase the availability of abortions exponentially.
You have completely ignored my posts. I think you’re here to promote an agenda not debate anyone. Much less learn anything.
I wondered if anyone would catch that.
;-)
“A Giuliani presidency would not make a material difference in the number of abortions - it would, however, do long term damage to the Republican party and the principles that the party has historically stood for. Therefore, long term, his candidacy, whether he wins or loses, with cause much more damage to conservative efforts in many areas that most of us would agree on.”
How much damage will a Dem presidency, in particular if it is Hillary, do to fetuses. Are your concerns more for the long-term damage to the Pub Party as vs. the long-term (and permanent, such as dead) damage to untold numbers of increased aborted babies under a Dem administration?
By what convoluted thought process do you conclude that one pro-abortion candidate with a 100% NARAL rating will push abortion more than another pro-abortion candidate with a 100% NARAL rating?
I most certainly can.
If the Republicans find that they can elect a pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-2A candidate they will assume, or even prefer to do it again. To elect such is to remove these issues from the party, and they will never be seriously revisited again.
Which results in more abortions, that the defender lives to fight another day, or that we enable the defender to lay down his sword and remove himself from the arena?
The same amount of damage as any other pro-abortion president.
Aren't you pro-abortion types so friggin' generous!
The irony is that the Rooty Rooters don’t catch it!
LMAO!
You just do not listen. There will be no difference in the court, there will be no difference in the amount of abortions performed under Giuliani. He is the classic New York liberal that supports abortion on demand, gay rights, and gun control. The difference will be that a Giuliani presidency will mean the end to the traditional social value planks of the party's platform. So, long term his presidency with have a devastating effect on the Republican party and the pro-life movement.
“Therefore it is pointless to debate you rationally.
I hadn’t notice you’d started.”
That’s because you don’t appear to recognize a rational debate when it slaps you upside the head.
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