Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."
Agree.
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.
‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan
Rooty Toot will do far more damage to America than Stalin ever could have.
Only for mothers who don't have any morals.
You mean like all those of us who voted for President Bush? ;) Or Californian Republicans who voted for Swartzeneger?
Sometimes you just have to take the better choice you are given and work to get a better choice the next time.
As anyone who has created something for the real world knows, perfection is the enemy of good enough.
If JimRob kept FR to himself until it was perfect, we would not have had all these years to enjoy and make it into the powerful grassroots tool it is. In the old days, FR was far from perfect, but it was what all we had to work with.
Rooty Toot IS NOT "good enough." In fact, he is the worst possible GOP nominee.
I wrote that, " Rooty Toot will do far more damage to AMERICA than Stalin ever could have."
However, the fact remains, that American abortionists like Rooty Toot have killed far more innocent people than Stalin and Hitler COMBINED.
Add to your list.
"Rooty Toot will do far more damage to America than Stalin ever could have."
How about a little history lesson for the folks wielding jingoistic hyperbole:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/kbank/profiles/stalin/
To ensure his position and to push forward "socialism in one country," he put the Soviet Union on a course of crash collectivization and industrialization. An estimated 25 million farmers were forced onto state farms. Collectivization alone killed as many as 14.5 million people, and Soviet agricultural output was reduced by 25 percent, according to some estimates.
In the 1930s, Stalin launched his Great Purge, ridding the Communist Party of all the people who had brought him to power. Soviet nuclear physicist and academician Andrei Sakharov estimated that more than 1.2 million party members -- more than half the party -- were arrested between 1936 and 1939, of which 600,000 died by torture, execution or perished in the Gulag.
In the wake of the German defeat, the U.S.S.R. occupied most of the countries in Eastern Europe and eventually ensured the installation of Stalinist regimes. Stalin said later to Milovan Djilas, a leading Yugoslav communist, "Whoever occupies a territory also imposes his own social system." He believed that the Americans and the British "imperialism" would clash and eventually "socialism" would triumph.
After initially approving the participation by Eastern European countries in the U.S.-sponsored Marshall Plan (1947), Stalin forbade it. Stalin also sought to gain influence in Germany, though his exact goals remain controversial. Denied access to the western German occupation zones, he agreed to the establishment of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in October 1949.
Encouraged by Communist victory in the Chinese Civil War and the establishment of the People's Republic of China in October 1949, Stalin gave the green light to North Korean leader Kim Il Sung to attack South Korea in June 1950.
His confrontational foreign policy and his domestic terror regime (the "Stalinist system") had an impact on Soviet society and politics well beyond the dictator's death of natural causes at age 73 on March 5, 1953.
I think there is more too it than that. Regretably, Ronald Reagan, who we all love and adore, had 3 picks for the supreme court. 2 of the 3 were duds. Only Scalia is in favor of dumping R vs W. Kennedy has maintained restrictions but wont overturn R vs W. O'connor was a total dud.
GHWB, gave us Souter! A Lib-Pig and Thomas, so he was 50-50.
So there is no certainty that a pro life President will give us the Supreme Court we need.
If R vs W is overturned, it goes to the States. So, there are maybe 5 states that will outlaw it.
Abortion will continue in the millions for as far as the eye can see.
If (unborn)life is everything, as this thread is premising, then it will not be ended by voting pro-life. (I am pro-life and have always voted pro-life).
The holocaust will continue.
If you are attacking another Freeper, it is common courtesy to ping him, especially when he is in general agreement with the site owner, and you are not.
Be that as it may, you are not living in reality. Our opposition to Giuliani is totally implacable. That is the world you live in. If you want to win the election, you had better stop him from being nominated, because he can not be elected.
You are correct; however, there IS a certainty that a pro-abortion President WILL give us a pro-abortion justice.
For a multitude of reasons, it is almost impossible to discern whether a Supreme Court nominee is pro-life, but it is very simple to tell if they are pro-abortion.
I realize that common courtesy is difficult for liberals, but it is the norm around here to ping someone when you are talking about them.
But that aside, you seem to have missed the part about doing damage to AMERICA and yet all of your evidence of Stalin’s destruction is dealing with Eastern Europe.
And by the way, you can take the highest estimate available for Stalin’s genocide and it still pales in comparison to the genocide of the abortionists you support.
It is getting a little heated, isn’t it?
That seems to be a habit of FRiberals.
Still slightly more rational than locksteppers supporting a pro-abortionist on the Republican ticket.
Read my post #725. Rudy is not just pro-abortion. He is liberal on all of the issues except the war, and he's still authoritarian on that, pushing National ID cards and crap. If Rudy's nominated, then the GOP might as well take me off their mailing list and stop begging me for donations, because they ain't getting it and I ain't going door-to-door on my own free time "spreading the word" for Rudy. (Oh, I'll spread the word allright...)
The one that will instantly form if Rudy's the nominee.
"Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!"
Some pro-life, pro-gun voters will support Rudy if he gets the nomination. Maybe a lot of them.
But not enough.
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