Posted on 10/16/2007 1:49:26 PM PDT by jazusamo
So...the Dems split against each other on the surge (Brian Baird et al), the candidates quarrell amongst themselves and accuse each other of things, and now the Congressional Dems are split yet again on this Turkey resolution. They are toast in 08.
This resolution is their latest plan to sabotage our efforts in Iraq. They don’t care about condemning genocide, otherwise they would have brought this up awhile ago. I’m sure our enemies really appreciate the Dems’ efforts—at a College Republicans meeting we had some Iraq vets speak to us and one of them said “I swear, I’ve seen more Jack Murtha coverage on al-Jazeera than I have anywhere else in my life!”
“They have us over the proverbial barrel, we need to use their territory. It’s not cowering in fear, no fear involved.”
Actually, it is fear. They need our support far more than we need theirs.
This is so typical of our wimpy government — placate other governments at the expense of doing the right thing.
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Who besides you is saying that the once-great United States is now cowering in fear of Turkey?
I don’t think it wise to invade Turkey. As they did with the 4th ID, when they refused to let us use the access, you have to decide whether you are going to comply with other country’s wishes or not. When dealing with other sovereign nations, you have to comply.
Maybe we weren’t stern enough, who knows, I wasn’t there. But fear is not an issue. Turkey has been a stalwart ally throughout the cold war, allowing NATO bombers to use their territory. They were also allowing us to use their bases to enforce the Iraq no-fly zones. It’s all a game of negotiation, give and take — I don’t think our state department is very good at it, we seem to be doing mostly give and little take.
Yes, I noticed it also.
“But not at this time.”
I’m skeptical because that’s been the line from the government for decades, where, every year they’ve come up with an “excuse.” The Iraq war’s the latest excuse and people again swallow it.
I dunno what the excuses were in decades past, but the Iraq war is a good “excuse” because of the supply routes to our troops in Turkey. If Turkey wasn’t helping us I’d have no problem with the bill coming up now.
“As if the safety and well-being of our troops in Iraq and their mission are such small things which ought not get in the way of pointless Democrat posturing, right?”
No. I don’t think you actually read my post; so I’ll repeat:
Long before the war on terror began, there were always reasons every year for killing a genocide resolution before it gets to the floor of the House. Because of that, I think this latest reason is bogus as well.
“As if the safety and well-being of our troops in Iraq and their mission are such small things which ought not get in the way of pointless Democrat posturing, right?”
No. I don’t think you actually read my post; so I’ll repeat:
Long before the war on terror began, there were always reasons every year for killing a genocide resolution before it got to the floor of Congress for a vote. Because of that, I think this latest reason is bogus as well.
They have us over a barrel? The more we act like that, the more leverage they have over us? Let's see, we give them money, support, we are forcing NATO to take them in, we help them with their trade. And in return for that, when they say "jump," our President says, "How high, Sir?"
Maybe we should demand a little something in return for all we do. It seems like a pretty one-sided relationship. Would you be okay with Japan telling us we had to remove Pearl Harbor from our text books and our country, if we wanted to continue using their land?
So you think if we ignore it, that makes it not true.
to try to harm Bush and his WOT by pushing Turkey to not cooperate so they can blame Bush.
these folks are despicable....much worse than RINOs even
I think the Armenian Lobby should pull it.
They have had more PR on this than in decades.
They are being used like a cheep prostitute and being preyed on over a very dear and emotional issue.
Good points, I agree. From what little I’ve read there’s debate about whether it was truly genocide anyway.
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