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To: dellbabe68
Doug, I heard it myself. She said Jews needed to be perfected

I suggest you listen to it again (see post #124 for link). I just did and the transcript is accurate. Deutch said it - misquoting Ann; Ann did not.

Since you believe you "heard it myself", after listening again, you might discover that you were susceptible to a counterfactual suggestion and manipulated to "remember hearing" something that never occured. Actually, most people are amazingly susceptible to such psychological tricks and that is the danger we face in this struggle.

I think if you listen to it again, Ann was quite clear that both Jews and Christians had their own routes to salvation. Her "want" merely expressed that she believes Christianity is the easier/faster path. She repeatedly referred to the path to "obey" (the law of the Old Testament) in accordance with Judaism without denegration, pointing out it was another path to salvation, equally valid but just a more difficult one. There is nothing wrong with wanting one's friends to "walk across the bridge with you instead of climbing the banks of a chasm" to reach the same destination.

169 posted on 10/14/2007 5:45:11 PM PDT by dougd
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To: dougd

Doug, let me clarify. I don’t care whether she said “want” or “should” or “need,” or if she intended her “friends” to walk the same bridge as her. I understood her message to mean they need to be perfected. This semantics argument is dumb. I was offended by what she said.

I repeat, I think Ann was an ASS for saying what she did. Bringing up the idea of Jews needing perfected 60 years after the Holocaust was idiotic, and does more harm than good. If you want to stick to your guns, by all means, but not all of us conservatives are ready to defend her no matter what. I like her well enough but I think what she said was wrong.


187 posted on 10/15/2007 8:12:30 AM PDT by dellbabe68
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