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“Tim LaHaye and Jenkins’ Left Behind Series seems to match the Hagee remarks. There is , of course, the theological question of the Rapture based on one scripture in Thess. The Lord has never protected huge masses of Christians, the Church or the Jews from persecution. The Rapture seems to be an interpretation from the days of Scofield. It is not an old view and has only gotten a hearing in the last 100 years or so. Of course, as a believer,I want it to happen but if it does not, our faith in Jesus when he does appear will really have been tested in these Times.”

God has been consistent in REMOVING believers from horrendous punishment. Noah and the Flood are an example. Sodom and Gomorrah is another example etc.. There is no reason NOT to believe He will collect His believers when He returns as Scripture states. Those not raptured or gathered up will suffer extreme wrath.

1Thes.4:17

[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

I think this verse is very clear and as I mentioned simply demonstrates a pattern of NOT subjecting believers to EXTREME wrath.

“It is not an old view and has only gotten a hearing in the last 100 years or so...”

I don’t believe it is a new view at all. I believe it is the view that believers had as early as the church at Thessaloniki.

God has been consistent in REMOVING believers from horrendous punishment. Noah and the Flood are an example. Sodom and Gomorrah is another example etc.. There is no reason NOT to believe He will collect His believers when He returns as Scripture states. Those not raptured or gathered up will suffer extreme wrath.

Exactly! GOD called out Noah before judgment upon the world. GOD called out the nation of Israel out of Egypt as well. Israel was not harmed. Several more things point to pretrib rapture. One is the Hebrew wedding tradition meaning the first and last trumpet blast not to be confused with those in Revelations. The parable of the 10 virgins also points to it. The Book of Revelations points to it Revelation ch 4 points to it also as the Twenty Four Elders are clothed in white and crowns on their head and seated meaning they have passed before believers judgment and this occurs before the Tribulation even begins.

next point is once the agreement is signed between Israel and the anti-christ you can count the literal days till Christ Second Coming. Christ has returned to earth at least twice since his death but their is a significant difference between returning and Second Coming. The return for the Bride {Believers} will be the Last or Second Trumpet announcing Bring forth the Bride as commanded by The Father of the Groom as provision has been made and the home is ready and the Father tells his Son the Groom Bring forth the Bride.

When the church {believers} is called out to the world as we know it people left here still will not know the time of the Second Coming because they did not believe.