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To: Hostage
It is true that to ask for mercy and to confess one’s sin will indeed lead to salvation. But Jesus said to all those he forgave to sin no more, and yet sinners never stop sinning. When they sin are they Christians? Of course not. For how many minutes of the day are they Christians?
Romans Chapter 7
7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin.

7:15 For I don't know what I am doing. For I don't practice what I desire to do; but what I hate, that I do.

7:16 But if what I don't desire, that I do, I consent to the law that it is good.

7:17 So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwells in me.

7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

7:19 For the good which I desire, I don't do; but the evil which I don't desire, that I practice.

7:20 But if what I don't desire, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwells in me.

7:21 I find then the law, that, to me, while I desire to do good, evil is present.

7:22 For I delight in God's law after the inward man,

7:23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members.

7:24 What a wretched man I am! Who will deliver me out of the body of this death?

So then, was the Apostle Paul (a.k.a. "Saint Paul" - author of the Epistle to the Romans and many other biblical epistles - a Christian, or was he a sinner?
7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ, our Lord! So then with the mind, I myself serve God's law, but with the flesh, the sin's law.
The biblical answer seems to be, "Yes" - the two categories are not mutually exclusive.
Romans 6

1 What then shall we say? Shall we persist in sin that grace may abound? Of course not!


428 posted on 10/11/2007 5:13:36 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Where in the world do you get your inference from? You are asking questions with no answer.

When one sins, the moment one makes the choice to sin, they are not ‘Christian’ meaning a follower of Christ.

I believe Paul after his revelation was a Christian but aware of the constant temptation to be unChristian. He had to train his every thought, every feeling on communing with Jesus. One lapse and he would fall to sin. He was battling sin with every breath. He knew the temptation was outside and inside but he chose not to succumb to it, at least that is my take.

The subject that started this discussion is from Ann Coulter’s implication that the world would be better off if everyone was Christian. It’s an impossibility because even fervent Christians have difficulty following Christ in all they do. So her thought is impractical and unrealistic. At what moment do all souls flash to true Christianity?

What is practical is to practice Christian values and to vote American values. That is the winning combination.

It would have been far more realistic if Coulter had modified her assertion that the world would be better off if people would earnestly strive to learn about Christ and practice Christian values.


446 posted on 10/11/2007 5:42:23 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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