Student advocates gun rights, gets suspended

This is tantamount to requiring him to attend a “Re-education Camp”.

He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.
Adolf Hitler

CCWs probably keep guns out of the hands of some homocidal but otherwise law abiding types. The rest of my post was:

but I think we should forgo it because it gives both the governmental types and sheeple the impression that the government has the right to say who may or may not bear arms.

If these indeed are the emails, then I fear it is closer than I believed.

There is nothing in this email that millions of white (and black also) do not already believe. I truly believe that every action has an equal but opposite reaction. Again, I emphasize that I am not advocating any violence or illegal action, just that it appears inevitable. More so as time goes on.

If these indeed are the emails, then I fear it is closer than I believed.

There is nothing in this email that millions of white (and black also) do not already believe. I truly believe that every action has an equal but opposite reaction. Again, I emphasize that I am not advocating any violence or illegal action, just that it appears inevitable. More so as time goes on.

The school DID have a choice, it could act as in a rational adult manner.

It did. It assessed its risks and took a risk-managed position.

Not entirely. They're in for the chop now.

United States Code, U.S. Criminal Code,
Title 18 §ection 242
Deprivation of rights under color of law:

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

United States Code, U.S. Criminal Code,
Title 18 §ection 241
Conspiracy against rights: If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

CCWs probably keep guns out of the hands of some homocidal but otherwise law abiding types

Isn't that a contradiction? If a person is homicidal, but hasn't broken any laws yet, the CCW issue process is not going to stop her from getting one. If he's not law abiding, he'll get one and carry it without a CCW permit.

The rest of my post was:

but I think we should forgo it because it gives both the governmental types and sheeple the impression that the government has the right to say who may or may not bear arms.

And I should have acknowledged that. However the gun grabbers in and out of government as well as the sheeple don't really care about that, in fact they think the government does or should have that power. (which de facto, but not de jure, it does). So then it's down to utility. A test which such laws also fail. Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, third President of the United States, and gun nut, knew this.:

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
(Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. (Thomas Jefferson, Encyclopedia of T. Jefferson, 318 [Foley, Ed., reissued 1967]; Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, [Memorial Edition] Lipscomb and Bergh, editors)

> Not entirely. They’re in for the chop now.

Like I said earlier: “Dam’ned if you do, Dam’ned if you don’t.” In this case, “Dam’ned if you do...”

A couple of personal points --

(1) one of my sons was suspended in Jr High for carrying a pocket grooming aid that included a <1" blade. I researched the legislative history of the state law about "zero tolerance for weapons in schools" and talked to the senator and the key aide who drafted the legislation. They'll agreed that the law exempted blades that were on tools, and also that it allowed the administrator discretion on the side of saying the purported weapon was a tool. I even engaged the counsel of a friend who is both a school board attorney in one district and a school board member in another.

A similar pocket took, but son's was in white

Still the Principal and VP in that Junior High refused to rescind the suspension for a "weapons violation" -- which also included reporting the matter to the local police, a hearing before the local magistrate, four hours "community service", a permanent notation of the "offense" on his school record, and the possibility that with one other disciplinary offense he could be kicked out of school.

That was harsh and taught a poor example. It was a Jr. High set against boys, so I and other parents did think.

(2) Some years later I had a year where I did substitute teaching. (Very enjoyable but there is no money in it.)

I did learn that a contrary essay is a marker of other discipline problems.

Doesn't matter what the contrariness is set in regard to -- it is just by the contrary attitude in the essay by which such a student attempts to tweak the teacher.

Such a contrary essay can also be a mark of an exceptional mind, curious, intellectually striving. So one has to know the case on the ground, the student in more detail.

My remarks were based on what the article presented, and as always -- news articles tell just a wee bit of the full story.

> That was harsh and taught a poor example. It was a Jr. High set against boys, so I and other parents did think.

I hope you had the good sense to pull him out of that school and place him in another. And to have a full-and-frank discussion with the new Principal, explaining the situation and seeking to have his new school records suitably amended.

> I did learn that a contrary essay is a marker of other discipline problems.

As a former writer of contrary essays AND as a hi school discipline problem, I can attest to the veracity of that finding.

In my case it signaled a sentient being who deplored being socially engineered by a school system with a blatant agenda that I did not agree with.