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Why President Bush Sided With Mexican Killers
GOPUSA ^ | October 10, 2007 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 10/10/2007 1:21:47 PM PDT by processing please hold

Edited on 10/10/2007 1:23:57 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The U.S. Supreme Court's hearing of the case, Medellin v. Texas, has reminded the American people of President Bush's terrible tendency to put the foreign interests of Mexico above those of the United States. But the case, being heard on October 10, is significant for another reason. It demonstrates the dangers of passing global treaties and getting involved with international courts and tribunals. The Senate should remember this lesson as it ponders ratification of the U.N.'s Law of the Sea Treaty, which creates an International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea and various "dispute resolution panels" that will inevitably rule and act against the U.S. The Senate could vote on this treaty shortly and the odds are that it will pass unless the American people voice their objections immediately and vociferously.


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KEYWORDS: bush; crimaliens; immigration; texas
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To: dragnet2
Look. Americans can be and are detained by foreign goverments. Sometimes thay are sentenced to lengthy sentences for distributing Bibles or engaging in protests against repressive regimes. This sort of thing actually happens.

We want to ensure that these good Americans have the right to access American consular officers in those countries so that their legal interests can be advocated and protected.

If the U.S. fails to ensure consular access for this dirt bag, repressive regimes can point to our actions as precedent and refuse to offer similar protections to good Americans.

It has nothing to do with Americans entering other countries illegally. It actually has nothing directly to do with illegal entry at all. It has to do with what happens to people that commit crimes after they have entered another country, whether they do so legally or illegally.

Sorry, you can't hijack this into a discussion on the invasion of illegals. That's a problem that needs to be addressed on another thread.

181 posted on 10/10/2007 5:27:07 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

“but like it or not, if we are a signatory to a treaty, we have agreed to be bound by its provisions”

Not above our constitution - state rights are superior to any imposed by a foreign institution. Thus the reason why Bush is going to the supreme court. Keep living in lala land. Ive known a couple of people like you, who after being the victim of a crime from an illegal alien, changed their ways. Faith in God is wise blind faith in this president who has shown his true colors is just plain stupid.


182 posted on 10/10/2007 5:27:44 PM PDT by sasafras (All things evil are cloaked in the word diversity)
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To: dragnet2

Good points. Yes. they should be obvious.


183 posted on 10/10/2007 5:28:32 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
Yeah , all this grand talk of treaties, rule of law, etc.

What happened was a vicious gang rape* of two girls.

*..there was never less than 2 men on each of the girls at any one time and that the girls were repeatedly raped orally, anally and vaginally for the entire hour.

That's what this about.

The fact that some corrupt Mexican official wasn't given a phone call or not is chickensh*t.

No, the SOB was found guilty and should die for his crime.

184 posted on 10/10/2007 5:30:24 PM PDT by csvset
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

“Of course you don’t negotiate with terrorists. Americans can also be held by foreign GOVERNMENTS, not just foreign terrorists”

Huh??? - your making no sense. Please read my response before you respond.


185 posted on 10/10/2007 5:30:45 PM PDT by sasafras (All things evil are cloaked in the word diversity)
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To: processing please hold
I am fast loosing my respect for the current Bush administration.

How many times do we have to bend over and take divisiveness from illegal invaders raping and murdering our citizens.

President Bush would be well advised to ponder seriously who’s side he really is on, Mexico or The country that elected him to office.

186 posted on 10/10/2007 5:31:32 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

You have accused the President of acting without authority. But making an accusation is not the same as proving it. If you want to prove it, you have to support it with credible evidence that the POTUS lacks any authority to change federal or state law. The President merely needs to show a nexus between his action and his exclusive constitutional duties to conduct foreign affairs or national defense.


187 posted on 10/10/2007 5:32:23 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: csvset

Okay....


188 posted on 10/10/2007 5:34:22 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

While I agree with you, it is worthwhile that I mention that according to the former Presidente de Mexico, Vicente Fox, Mexicans living in America *are* already Americans.


189 posted on 10/10/2007 5:41:54 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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the murderer & his lawyers could have brought this
(not being advised that he could get in touch with the mexican consulate)
up at any time
It never was, including during his appeal

Now fourteen years later, president bush has involved himself (usurping the laws of Texas?) in favor of not only an international courts ruling
but also for a confessed & convicted rapist murderer...

This is beyond words to me
190 posted on 10/10/2007 5:44:03 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
The President merely needs to show a nexus between his action and his exclusive constitutional duties to conduct foreign affairs or national defense.

So when President H. Clinton rounds us all up and sticks us in a concentration camp because she states that this will make relations with Mexico easier, this will be legal??

191 posted on 10/10/2007 5:44:09 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: OKIEDOC
I am fast loosing my respect for the current Bush administration.

I know exactly how you feel on that.

How many times do we have to bend over and take divisiveness from illegal invaders raping and murdering our citizens.

I figured out some time back they don't care about us. When enough of them or their family members are subjected to the brutalizing that the American citizens are facing and dealing with everyday...maybe then.

President Bush would be well advised to ponder seriously who’s side he really is on, Mexico or The country that elected him to office.

Well advised indeed.

192 posted on 10/10/2007 5:44:39 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: csvset

The lead punk also took one of the dead girls’ rings and *gave* it to his girlfriend.


193 posted on 10/10/2007 5:44:58 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: sasafras
I said:

“If Bush had consented to the executions and Americans held overseas were incarcerated or executed in reliance of GWB’s decision many would have demanded his head for failing to protect the Americans held overseas.”

You said:

Ok so now you are saying that we need surrender to terrorists demands. Because that is exactly what you are saying.

That's what I replied to sassy.

Then you said:

Really you need to quit drinking the punch - Im saying that in a kind way. Jorge could give a damn about you or any other American, he has proven this time and time again. If you dont believe me just look at what he has done and what he has said, if that is not enough then it is apparant that your sense of reality is not consistant with mine.

First, you need to learn how to spell. I say that in a kind way. Second, you can hold off on the patronizing comments, I am not intimidated by them and they're ridiculous because you don't know me. Third, failure to come to an agreement with you on anything does not in any way affect my "sense of reality." That's just rhetoric.

If you can discuss this matter calmly, without resorting to name calling, I will discuss the issue and try to come to an understanding of the situation. I am willing to be persuaded and will admit it if my position is wrong. But you have to lay out the evidence, cause you may not believe that I have a grip on reality, but I am a rational being.

However, if you just want to posture, preen and bash Bush, I can get enough of that from the drive-by media or the left-wing nut bloggers.

I leave it up to you.

194 posted on 10/10/2007 5:46:57 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
with credible evidence that the POTUS lacks any authority to change federal or state law

I am not a lawyer, but Edwin Meese is, and he argued in the USSC that the POTUS has no authority whatsoever to change federal or state laws. At this point I choose to agree with President Reagan's AG, not you.

195 posted on 10/10/2007 5:51:58 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Uh....Hillary could decide to do that, but I don't thing that she would be using any authority provided under the treaty that we are discussing on this thread. The treaty addresses the treatment of foreign nationals convicted of crimes in other countries. It has nothing to do with the forced detention of American citizens. Lucius, I love ya, but you can't pull the bait and switch trick on me.

If Hillary wanted to stick us in a concentration camp she would have to get approval from her puppet masters at the Bohemian Grove. /s

196 posted on 10/10/2007 5:54:26 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Provide me a link to his argument before the Supremes and I would be happy to read or listen. I alway appreciate anything that the AG has to say and give it alot of weight. If I think he's correct, I will be the first to let you know. Okay?

I just don't dig jumping on the BDS bandwagon whenever anything negative is reported. I want to know what's going on before I come to an opinion on anything.

197 posted on 10/10/2007 5:58:59 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Marysecretary; Don'tMessWithTexas
And another Amen.
It's disgusting to see so much anti Bush venom from the blame-Bush-first crowd here on FR. He's still our president. Give him the benefit of the doubt.
198 posted on 10/10/2007 6:00:07 PM PDT by End Times Crusader (TehRon Paul - domestic enemy of America)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
Look, what you are arguing is that the President has the right to rule by decree, if it is for foreign relations or national security. In the Roman Republic the official who had this power was called the dictator (see my homepage). At the end of the Republic dictator Sulla, dictator Caesar, and dictator Octavian converted the Republic into the Empire. Please leave me out.
199 posted on 10/10/2007 6:01:29 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Lucius, the US Constitution vests the with sole authority to conduct foreign policy and act as Commander in Chief. Congress can check his power by its control of the purse. I understand your fear of the rise of dictators, but evidently our framers did not.

I have enjoyed the discussion. See ya later.... and send me a link to the AG's arguments before the Supremes.

200 posted on 10/10/2007 6:12:44 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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